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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and with Chris

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we're back at the power cast and you

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know we've had so many great shows

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lately we keep thinking we can't top

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that but as you'll hear later

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I think we've topped it once again now

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as you might know we're getting lots and

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lots of comments about Ray Stanford and

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his appearance on the power cast on May

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18th of course some of those are basic

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demands that Stanford disclosed what he

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has because he's getting on in years and

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if he doesn't do that now when is he

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gonna do it in fact I wonder about this

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and I didn't want to be morbid about it

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Chris does he have a game plan there of

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what's gonna happen if he's no longer

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around would his wife release the

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information what would he do you know

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that's a really good question gene I'm I

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really can't in all honesty answer that

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emphatically I really don't know I've

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never really broached the subject with

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him the only time his mortality has come

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up is in the context of Ray the clock is

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ticking you know you don't have an

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infinite amount of time here to get this

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information out and I've constantly been

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cheerleading him to finally put an end

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to his analytical process and really

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concentrate on getting this information

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out to peer review but you you know I

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think it's a very valid point you know

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what is going to happen to this

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incredible young treasure trove of

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historical data meticulously documented

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I might add you know I think his wife

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maybe would be the executor of any sort

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of I'm just going on an assumption here

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I don't know this but I would assume

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that Sheila would be in charge of

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disseminating his work and also the one

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of the most incredible collections of

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pre-columbian art meteorites obviously

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the largest collection of dinosaur trace

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evidence ever found

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his house is a museum and it really

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deserves a wing in a museum somewhere

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and he has mentioned in the past that

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much of his physical collection will

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probably end up in some sort of a museum

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or a wing of some Museum that sort of

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thing and and justifiably so I mean just

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walking through his house is you know I

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mean it doesn't matter where you look

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it's just incredible artifacts and art

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and just you name it I mean he has so

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many dinosaur tracks in his house he has

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pathways to get from rooms to rooms

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because there's so many of them

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displayed in I mean it's quite amazing

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what the man has accomplished in the

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many years that he's been diligently you

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know working his various passionate

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subjects in his research and I think

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it's important that obviously there's

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some sort of game plan in place for you

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know the obvious time when he's going to

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not be here to to be the one that's

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gonna be in control of it so it's a very

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valid question I think that the time is

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probably right now I think he's turning

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76 or 77 here in June so you know that's

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a subject that needs to be broached you

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know I think about mortality because of

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the fact that my brother-in-law Steven

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that Steven Weiser and he was a guest on

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the power cast as an expert in currency

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back in 2009 we were talking about

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monetary conspiracies and he's

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contracted pancreatic cancer and the

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prospects looked pretty favorable I hate

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to be overly optimistic or pessimistic

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we're just kind of hedging our bets he's

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undergoing therapy and everything he's

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gone to one of the best hospitals in the

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nation the Mayo Clinic one of the

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facilities in Arizona so we hope things

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will be okay but he's 67 and he's facing

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what is obviously a life-threatening

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illness and now we got Reis Stanford

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who's in his late 70s he's had heart

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problems correct yeah he has okay so I

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just hope if Ray is listening please man

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you got this information disclose it I

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mean some of our listeners are already

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this isn't as they have every time leis

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been on the show I think they're being

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kind Jane well I am trying to understate

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the obvious they're skeptical because

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there are a lot of people in a lot of

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fields particularly in the paranormal

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field they claim to have evidence of one

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sort or another and they never seem to

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get around to disclosing it there's

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always a reason but we realize that Ray

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has disclosed some of it so it's high

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time and we're seeing more and more of

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what he says to be correct so when it

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comes to paleontology for example the

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couple of years back about his amazing

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ability to find things that professional

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scientists cannot find well we have the

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fact that he was criticized at one point

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Ray for this question about what was the

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real insignia on the Socorro New Mexico

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UFO and it's now been confirmed as Reis

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stated with government documents that it

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was the decision of the Air Force

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investigators to change it partly

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fuel fake UFO cases exactly on the other

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hand in retrospect it was a ridiculous

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decision because has there been another

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UFO anywhere with an insignia that

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real one not to my knowledge but that

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doesn't mean that they're not out there

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you know we can't be aware of every

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description of every UFO event but to my

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knowledge no they've been some that were

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close but none exactly as stated by by

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Zamora yes it seems when you try to put

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things that he says to the test you know

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he comes up looking pretty good he does

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of course there's also lots of questions

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about his past when he was surrounded by

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a lot of people that really felt that he

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was gifted with certain insights and in

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one sense of the word psychic abilities

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and I think in the late sixties he

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started to fall out of that and really

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began to concentrate more on gathering

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physical evidence and scientific

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evidence that could be studied and

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you'll possibly provide diagnostic

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insight into propulsion systems and in

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that sort of you know Avenue of

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Investigation and research but yeah I

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mean you know I I was involved in a rock

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and roll band in New York and I did some

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things that I probably you know wouldn't

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be proud of to talk about does that mean

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that those events and and maybe bad

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choices that I made 40 years ago should

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that be held against me today should

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that you know in some way impede my work

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in stalking heard you know about the cab

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mutilation phenomenon no no we all Evan

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flow through the times that we live in

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and if someone has particularly you know

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heightened abilities for perception for

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visual acuity and those sorts of things

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you know a fake Pakistani accent uh you

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know pontificating about all sorts of

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end-of-the-world scenarios and whatnot

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so you know mommy Chris we got Swami

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O'Brien how about that Swami O'Brien let

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give you some kind of more exotic name

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O'Brien is a pretty convention would you

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but I'd need to boot yes no you know the

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people here who are listening who are of

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Indian descent are going to be upset we

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live in such a politically correct

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society now in the old days you can do

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didn't matter as long as in the spirit

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of good fun and respect we accept it now

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hmm who knows listen today we have quite

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a guest I know you were talking to me

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about his background and I thought we

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had five shows here so in the remaining

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minute of this segment tell us more

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about George Wingfield well you know I

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don't know he the man is an enigma he's

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a very well educated Englishman who was

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one of the first real crop circle

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researchers in the 80s with Colin

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Andrews Pat Delgado and a handful of

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others he's soured on that particular

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field of inquiry and has maintained a

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presence for at least 2530 years at the

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Eureka Springs conference every year

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but I don't think he's ever written a

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book I don't think he's contributed

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material to books he co-authored I think

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a book fairly recently on UFOs but the

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man is an enigma I think the more time

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goes you know water goes under the

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bridge the more how would I put this the

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more he becomes like you and me Jane

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he's very very doubtful about the claims

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of certain individuals in the field

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they've gotten a lot of press so we're

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gonna have a fun time George has been

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there and been taking notes for a long

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time you know what let's have him open

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up his notebook and tell us more George

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Wingfield coming up next with Jean and

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Christiane taubira cast first game

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attack of the rock ODEs and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rawhides and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more and Rocco is calm

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that's Rocco it's our ock oids comm see

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here's what happened I was placing an

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hours before it returned but I'd already

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placed the order with another company if

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discount Adam Miller here with Midas

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ounce that's thirteen thirty five forty

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eighty-five hi this is Ted Anderson have

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you ever wondered why banks stock

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brokers investment advisors

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talk about gold IRAs wait a second gold

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and silver is going up while Congress is

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trying to settle on the next debt

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increase and there's no end of this

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imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

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for under sixty nine thousand dollars

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with the economy improving and interest

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we welcome to the para cast for his

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first appearance on the show George

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Wingfield

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welcome to the power cast George hygiene

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I was looking here over your background

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and you've been in lots of elements in

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terms of paranormal research and I don't

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know I have a pretty crazy background

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myself and we were talking about Chris's

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background as a musician before he got

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involved in the mysterious valley

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research and such but can you tell us

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how you got involved in these very

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unusual subjects I got involved because

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I got involved with the crop circles

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back in 1987 and I was very fascinated I

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spent a lot of time trying to figure out

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what was going on and what this was all

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about I have a science background and I

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was coming from that point of view I met

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all sorts of different people who wanted

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to explain the crop circles inverse

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different ways such as UFOs and a lot of

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new-age interpretation of crop circles

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and things of this kind and I researched

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the crop circles for about let me see

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provide six or seven years and I came to

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the conclusion in 1994 that's exactly

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what twenty years ago

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the crop circles in England were almost

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entirely made by people and I found the

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names and many of the people who were

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making them they made them secretly of

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course and I wrote an article way back

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then 1994 giving details what I

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uncovered and after that I didn't really

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do very much more with the crop circles

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I left the crop circles alone after

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about 1996 I left them alone and I've

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became interested in other subjects such

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as your phones okay with crop circles

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you then felt that that was a resolved

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issue well let's put it this way I don't

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give you a blanket solution for anything

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I won't give you a blanket solution for

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crop circles for UFOs for cattle

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mutilations but I will say that in my

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opinion you know 95% of crop circles

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maybe 99% I can't put an exact figure on

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it a man-made and I'll leave it at that

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and I'm not particularly interested in

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that subject any more we can talk some

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more about it if you like and then when

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it gets to your foes that's much more

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complex and them very many different

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aspects to that and different kinds of

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UFOs and we could we could take up a

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whole two or three or more hours talking

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about your phones with the cattle

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mutilations

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I sent you an article which I'd written

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saying that in my opinion the vast

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majority of the mutilations are

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explainable and the reason people

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haven't understood previously because

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they've made the assumption that

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whatever killed the wretched animal also

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immediately that's simply not true it

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may apply to some cases but in general

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it's a different agency which mutilates

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the carcass to whatever killed the Beast

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and this makes a huge difference in

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understanding what's going on alright so

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you raise the response there in general

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terms okay

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who is killing the cattle who is

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mutilating the cattle all right a

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separate question is it this is fine

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depending on where you are what year

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you're in I could produce a pie chart

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now I don't have accurate figures but

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there are I think I listed 12 possible

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reasons for the cattle deaths and number

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one reason was natural causes which

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could be disease or heart failure or so

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on a lot of things I could discuss all

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of those then there are predator attacks

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that accounts for quite a number of

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cattle kill then there are criminal

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killings which may be done by

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delinquents or hunters who can't find

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any deer to shoot things of this guy you

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will do shoot cattle and I think

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possibly even the military but ok other

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reasons for shooting cattle which I have

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discussed and possible sampling programs

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I don't see any reason at all to believe

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that the aliens killing cattle and

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mutilating them oh I'm glad I heard you

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say that George well the reasons I'm

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here is and I've agreed to come on the

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park cuts because I feel a but I should

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speak up for the alien sir 40 years

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they've got a really bad run and they've

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been accused of killing and mutilating

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thousands of cattle all over America by

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certain people you can treat you can

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think who's made this accusation and at

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the same time I think I want to speak up

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the sickness the sacredness of America

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wish to say they've also been accused of

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these terrible mutilations of cattle and

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there is no truth in these accusations

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well yeah I think we're getting the card

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ahead of the horse here a little bit

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before I dive into the mutilation

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mystery okay okay I should this is a

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confession I must confess that I have

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mutilated cattle mice

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and I step forward and I plead guilty

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oh my god mutilation in the state of

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Arizona and if you want to ask me about

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that I'll tell you all the details well

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I mean you can't dangle that one in

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front of us and not have us immediately

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follow up with that so when were you in

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Arizona and why on earth were you

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mutilating cattle went to your local

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McDonald's here in Phoenix or something

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no in my local McDonald's not in that

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sense no I was mutilating real living

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cattle and the reason being was that

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back in 1988 which is the year I first

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came to this country I am British of

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course is I think quite a few people

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realize I came to America I worked for

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IBM in Dallas Texas and I then took

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quite a long vacation touring Grande

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Arizona during some of this I stayed

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with my cousins who ran big cattle ranch

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pretty well dead center at the state of

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Arizona and there I had my brief career

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as a cowboy it was very brief he was

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intentionally brief and yes George

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that's a scary thought you as a cowboy

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me as a cowboy well I bought the boat

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all the kit the boots the belt the the

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Hatley everything in in Dallas Texas and

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I thought I really ought to do this and

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since my cousin's around this ranch I

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said right Jeremiah I'm volunteering as

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a cowboy and I tell you they got us up

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to go out on roundup which I did a few

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times five o'clock in the morning and

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you had your riding these beat-up old

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horses western-style I was dressed in

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all the right kit and I went out and

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spent all day running up cattle in the

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desert now in central Arizona this is a

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place called bloody basin which is on

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the xxx River just south of where I am

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is just up and over the hill from me all

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right okay well

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to get to you may know the ranch ranch

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to get to the ranch where I was a cowboy

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we also want to find out more about this

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in our next segment how you mutilated

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cattle okay and why you didn't get

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caught we have George Wingfield joining

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us

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lots more to cover with Jean and Kris

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603
00:27:25,890 --> 00:27:22,630
all right so George Wingfield worked at

604
00:27:28,890 --> 00:27:25,900
a ranch near where Kris is living now

605
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but they never met those days okay I'll

606
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tell you tell you the name of the ranch

607
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is Horseshoe ranch and to get there you

608
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take take a turning off I 17 pretty what

609
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I think and bumblebees where you turn on

610
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if you know bumblebee oh yeah okay you

611
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take you turn off onto a gravel road

612
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there and you drive about 25 miles into

613
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the desert and the ranch big ranch is on

614
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the banks on the bank of the Verde River

615
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:01,570
and that was where I did my cowboy stuff

616
00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:05,800
and having rounded up cattle there were

617
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certain things the Cowboys had to do

618
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:10,270
there were several ovens and we got them

619
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:12,220
all in a big stockade we drove from

620
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Donna a chute sort of metal gangway to

621
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:20,890
keep them still and then we had three

622
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:24,220
tasks to do first of all I brand them

623
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:27,940
the red hot branding on next you would

624
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:30,970
inject them with a huge hypodermic yeah

625
00:28:36,270 --> 00:28:33,730
absolutely huge it's about probably 18

626
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:36,280
inches long and four inches in diameter

627
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:38,470
and had a lot of stuff in it

628
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antibiotic stuff and the third task was

629
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:46,660
to cut their horns up you have a huge

630
00:28:53,180 --> 00:28:50,500
pair of sharp shears and these poor

631
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:53,190
animals here you clip both forms off

632
00:29:01,800 --> 00:28:58,960
until you've really got a flap stuns

633
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:01,810
okay this is mutilating cattle in two

634
00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:04,510
different ways certainly branding them

635
00:29:12,810 --> 00:29:06,790
and clipping their horns off yeah those

636
00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:12,820
poor beasts I can tell you they believe

637
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:15,640
the smell was unbelievable the histor

638
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:18,010
the branding iron and the there's the

639
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smell of burning flesh and the puppies

640
00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:23,380
must have thought they were being

641
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murdered or tortured in the most

642
00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:30,410
Burak way that's mutilation and so I do

643
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:32,990
have some background in the beef

644
00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:36,410
industry as do I George I helped out

645
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every year dehorning inoculating

646
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castrating and branding right the herd

647
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well sure

648
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castrating is well one of the things I

649
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didn't do I wasn't around at the right

650
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:51,080
time for that yeah basically these

651
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cattle there they were bought from

652
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Donnie in Mexico just over the border

653
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and they were trucked up to butcher

654
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:02,590
ranch and they were on the on the ranch

655
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:05,210
probably for about probably about a year

656
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:09,050
and you had one steer on 10 acres how

657
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:11,630
about that there's awful lot of land at

658
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that called intermediate desert there's

659
00:30:28,270 --> 00:30:25,120
okay on to the cowboy was very brief

660
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:28,280
intentionally though were several

661
00:30:32,890 --> 00:30:31,430
unexplained animal deaths on the ranch I

662
00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:32,900
didn't actually see any at that time

663
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:35,480
back in 988 I didn't really know much

664
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:39,400
about this subject there were and

665
00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:43,640
mutilations resulted it was thought that

666
00:30:50,970 --> 00:30:46,580
the unexplained animal cattle deaths

667
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:50,980
were caused by a mountain lion and

668
00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:53,390
that's almost certainly correct in that

669
00:30:57,910 --> 00:30:56,030
instance okay other places other cases

670
00:31:00,280 --> 00:30:57,920
it might have been something else

671
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:00,290
it's not always a predator there are a

672
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:03,950
lot of illnesses to the other just

673
00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:07,400
before we leave that one I said every

674
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:10,220
single steer was injected with this huge

675
00:31:15,970 --> 00:31:13,520
sort of mix out of a big hypodermic

676
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:15,980
which contained a lot of antibiotic and

677
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:20,570
that may have killed many stairs because

678
00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:23,150
the antibiotic can clear out a lot of

679
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:26,180
the bacteria from the large intestine

680
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:29,180
and that would allow something called

681
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:33,860
Clostridium to go mad in there and bring

682
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:38,510
on terrible conditions low which could

683
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:40,500
you know diarrhea

684
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:44,250
pain and nausea yeah depending on which

685
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,160
of the 19 forms of clostridia happened

686
00:31:49,940 --> 00:31:49,440
to be opportunistic at the time that's

687
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:49,950
right

688
00:31:55,450 --> 00:31:52,770
and certain certain certain cow seemed

689
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,460
to be completely impervious to it others

690
00:32:00,050 --> 00:31:58,740
suffer terribly and even die but the

691
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:00,060
thing you're talking about here is not

692
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:02,670
so much what we would call mutilation

693
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:05,460
but you're just talking about what ends

694
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:09,000
up being a way to abuse cattle in the

695
00:32:13,850 --> 00:32:11,010
way we handle them and prepare them for

696
00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:13,860
slaughter that's true but I'm also

697
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:16,440
saying well he's also talking about you

698
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:19,470
know possible explanations for sure the

699
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:22,920
2% of all cattle on the planet 1.3 7

700
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:26,220
billion 2% of them die every year show

701
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:28,890
various causes and Clostridium is a real

702
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:32,460
major cause of death in the cattle

703
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:34,130
industry especially in the southwest

704
00:32:42,170 --> 00:32:38,220
yeah I was just gonna say that I think

705
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:42,180
during the 70s they were saying like 150

706
00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:46,140
million cattle in America nowadays about

707
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,800
80 million an awful lot of these are in

708
00:32:54,290 --> 00:32:52,440
feedlots and stockyards but if you

709
00:32:57,530 --> 00:32:54,300
consider the rest who are out in the out

710
00:33:01,700 --> 00:32:57,540
on the range or in pastures all over the

711
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:01,710
country the wastage rate for whatever

712
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:06,960
reason is perhaps 1% maybe 2% I don't

713
00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:08,850
know that's an awful lot of awful lot of

714
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:11,030
carcasses which you're gonna find

715
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:15,810
correct on the range and my other point

716
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:17,640
is I said ok the mutilations are

717
00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:21,050
separate and I believe very firmly that

718
00:33:27,770 --> 00:33:24,620
mostly mutilations can be explained by

719
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:27,780
avian scavengers and in particular

720
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:30,870
functions so why do we have people who

721
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:32,310
think there's some kind of paranormal

722
00:33:38,780 --> 00:33:36,210
explanation that maybe ET is doing it

723
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:38,790
well I think because I know obviously

724
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:42,690
it's a mystery you got you got in some

725
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,350
remote posture and there is a a caucus

726
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:49,440
and very often if it's been there for

727
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:51,150
any length of time if it's been there

728
00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:54,360
for even 12 hours not just

729
00:34:00,290 --> 00:33:57,270
for us it's merely and the mutilations

730
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:00,300
are done by by birds mainly vultures

731
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:04,730
well but vultures also are Raptors

732
00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:07,320
Magpies are a big one in the Rocky

733
00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:11,100
Mountains there's various animal you

734
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:13,100
know feathered creatures that are

735
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:16,950
obviously uh opportunistic and look for

736
00:34:21,110 --> 00:34:18,930
you know an easy snack and of course the

737
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:21,120
first way they're gonna attack the

738
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:23,730
animal is in you know attack the soft

739
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:26,040
tissue organs that's right absolutely

740
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:29,220
right sure and the vultures in

741
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,410
particular which are big big birds they

742
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:33,300
have a 6-foot wingspan the turkey

743
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:36,960
vultures they sort of cruise they glide

744
00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:40,530
endlessly on thermals very high up as

745
00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:44,100
soon as they see a fresh corpse a

746
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:48,750
carcass they will go right down for to

747
00:34:59,180 --> 00:34:51,900
get stuck into eating the soft tissues

748
00:35:04,240 --> 00:34:59,190
you say if there's one there's gonna be

749
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:07,850
George you know anyone out there in the

750
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:10,380
audience that's uh you know has any sort

751
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:12,300
of interest in this subject especially

752
00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:14,460
those who have read my books talking to

753
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:17,790
heard understand that there is a natural

754
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:20,940
process that occurs in nature when an

755
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:25,170
animal dies out on the range and if an

756
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:28,200
amateur comes along and sees what is

757
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:30,990
fairly mundane scavenger action

758
00:35:34,930 --> 00:35:33,450
it appears high strange especially if

759
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:34,940
they've read an article in the paper

760
00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:37,290
stating that there's cattle mutilations

761
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:39,990
in our neck of the woods here and so

762
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:42,210
that has a tendency to uh you know to

763
00:35:46,610 --> 00:35:44,370
get people looking and and and people

764
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:46,620
that aren't veterinary pathologists that

765
00:35:52,940 --> 00:35:49,650
don't have the training are not aware

766
00:35:55,340 --> 00:35:52,950
you know in toto what they're seeing so

767
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:55,350
yes that does explain a sizable

768
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,850
percentage of cases I'll be the first

769
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:58,980
one to admit that and I've been saying

770
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:01,260
this for many years of course you know

771
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:03,510
we could get into the whole subject of

772
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:05,730
why certain individuals in the field

773
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:07,530
have used this

774
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:10,920
particular mystery as a sensational way

775
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:13,670
to create headlines and create a career

776
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:17,070
did I say that Jean I think you said and

777
00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:19,290
I think we're going to run out of time

778
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:21,120
with this segment but I'd like to pick

779
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:22,710
up on that in our next segment maybe

780
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,930
George where let's talk about it let's

781
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:26,940
name the names of the people who have

782
00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:29,070
gone on to the subject of cattle

783
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:31,620
mutilations and that the fact is they

784
00:36:37,870 --> 00:36:34,560
are exploiting it for their own gain not

785
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:37,880
to solve a mystery let's get into that

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00:41:09,140 --> 00:41:06,869
incident you're listening to the pear

895
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cast the gold standard of a paranormal

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00:41:20,999 --> 00:41:19,049
okay so when it comes to cattle

897
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:21,009
mutilations the point being here is that

898
00:41:25,919 --> 00:41:23,529
you can find conventional explanations

899
00:41:28,619 --> 00:41:25,929
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900
00:41:30,629 --> 00:41:28,629
it's some kind of unknown paranormal

901
00:41:33,809 --> 00:41:30,639
phenomenon it's creatures from another

902
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dimension it's the UFO people let's name

903
00:41:39,389 --> 00:41:36,729
the names George why are we doing this

904
00:41:42,809 --> 00:41:39,399
and who are they obviously the first

905
00:41:46,619 --> 00:41:42,819
name is Linda Moulton ha she's been

906
00:41:51,269 --> 00:41:46,629
putting this over for ever since 1983

907
00:41:51,749 --> 00:41:51,279
and I got that right yes 1983 where are

908
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:51,759
we now

909
00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:55,089
1979 is strange harvest yeah strange

910
00:42:00,659 --> 00:41:57,129
harvest and an alien harvest

911
00:42:03,149 --> 00:42:00,669
and subsequent books by her which have

912
00:42:05,759 --> 00:42:03,159
taken this direction Charlie enough okay

913
00:42:07,529 --> 00:42:05,769
but you say well where did she get this

914
00:42:08,909 --> 00:42:07,539
idea from well I can tell you exactly

915
00:42:11,099 --> 00:42:08,919
where she's back from she got it from

916
00:42:16,259 --> 00:42:11,109
pretty sort of dubious character called

917
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,269
Richard Doty who was an AF OSI man in

918
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:19,119
Albuquerque New Mexico that's apples

919
00:42:24,569 --> 00:42:23,049
office of special intelligence I think

920
00:42:26,429 --> 00:42:24,579
you know I got that right well you know

921
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:26,439
it might be intelligence in that case is

922
00:42:30,659 --> 00:42:27,569
an oxymoron

923
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:30,669
Linda that when she first started

924
00:42:36,509 --> 00:42:33,849
covering this back in the late 70s the

925
00:42:38,399 --> 00:42:36,519
first person she called was Tom Adams

926
00:42:41,459 --> 00:42:38,409
and I think the second person she called

927
00:42:44,279 --> 00:42:41,469
was David Perkins your very good friend

928
00:42:47,579 --> 00:42:44,289
who you've known for many years and it

929
00:42:50,789 --> 00:42:47,589
wasn't until later in the 80s that Linda

930
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:50,799
got involved in what we've discussed on

931
00:42:55,469 --> 00:42:52,689
a number of occasions here at the pear

932
00:42:58,129 --> 00:42:55,479
cast some disinformation programs let's

933
00:43:01,949 --> 00:42:58,139
talk about Tom Adams and her original

934
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:01,959
investigative work back in 78 79 when

935
00:43:07,619 --> 00:43:04,209
she was they were environmental news

936
00:43:10,319 --> 00:43:07,629
reporter for I think was this the CBS or

937
00:43:13,619 --> 00:43:10,329
NBC affiliate in Denver can I just give

938
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:13,629
you first of all a quote a two line

939
00:43:19,019 --> 00:43:16,329
quote out of Linda's book an alien

940
00:43:20,849 --> 00:43:19,029
harvest she says Doty claimed the

941
00:43:22,739 --> 00:43:20,859
government and e cheese have made an

942
00:43:25,169 --> 00:43:22,749
agreement the aliens could conduct

943
00:43:27,659 --> 00:43:25,179
animal mutilations and human objections

944
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:27,669
in exchange for teaching us experts

945
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:30,180
about alien advance

946
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technology's part of the government's

947
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:35,170
deal was to provide the ETS land for a

948
00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:37,720
base we can spend a whole year just

949
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:40,540
talking about Richard Doty sure

950
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,840
well you said crook and if we're gonna

951
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:46,240
say this to somebody because we don't

952
00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:48,310
want to get involved in anything that

953
00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:50,740
might become legal why do you say he's

954
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:53,380
dishonest well this was quite clearly

955
00:43:57,590 --> 00:43:55,450
now you can look at it in great detail

956
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,600
this was disinformation

957
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:00,480
disinformation deliberately fed to

958
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:03,730
various sort of UFO researchers and

959
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:06,730
people at that time he was working with

960
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:09,160
a guy called Robert Collins we don't

961
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:11,410
hear much about Robert Cohen's they

962
00:44:17,490 --> 00:44:14,650
appeared on TV I think Doty and Collins

963
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:17,500
is Condor and Falcon there's a lot it

964
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,400
wasn't just Doty

965
00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:20,800
but he he was the tip of the iceberg

966
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:23,080
which was generally unseen and this

967
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:27,150
informations fed to porn banovitz and

968
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:31,800
William Moore worked with Doty and

969
00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:34,570
helped him disseminate disinformation

970
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:37,000
George we've we've covered this many

971
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:38,830
times on the podcast we've had Greg

972
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:42,610
Valdez on Greg Bishop I wrote the great

973
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:44,410
book project beta about the benefits

974
00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:46,690
case but I'm wondering about an article

975
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:49,230
that I remember reading by brother blue

976
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,190
talking about the aviary

977
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,400
and he mentioned a whole list of names

978
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:56,560
Ron Pandolfi who was the head of the

979
00:45:02,790 --> 00:44:58,630
Science and Technology desk for the CIA

980
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:02,800
of course kicked green John Alexander

981
00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:07,570
çb Scott Jones but in the article you're

982
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:09,940
mentioned as a possible member of the

983
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,410
area as well Dan Smith corrected I think

984
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:16,240
brother blue and said oh no George

985
00:45:20,190 --> 00:45:18,610
Wingfield is nightingale what was your

986
00:45:25,140 --> 00:45:20,200
response to that I've never heard you

987
00:45:27,090 --> 00:45:25,150
actually he's right insofar as I'm a

988
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:27,100
member of the 8th area my name was

989
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:30,550
mockingbird but first people wanted to

990
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,950
make me nightingale and somewhere out

991
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:34,960
there on the Internet is along some

992
00:45:37,860 --> 00:45:36,850
discussion as to whether I'm Mockingbird

993
00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:37,870
or naughty girl

994
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:39,430
regardless of whether you're mocking

995
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:42,850
bird Nightingale or anything else how

996
00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:43,280
did you

997
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:52,390
involved with this because when I first

998
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:54,740
when I first got involved with the crop

999
00:45:59,500 --> 00:45:57,140
circles I came to this country I gave

1000
00:46:01,900 --> 00:45:59,510
quite a number of lectures on crop

1001
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:01,910
circles and because your photos were

1002
00:46:10,260 --> 00:46:04,850
into that makes at the time and I was in

1003
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:10,270
I think let's say in Washington DC in

1004
00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:14,720
1992 April first time I'd ever visited

1005
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:17,630
Washington DC and arrangements are made

1006
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:19,490
for me to meet a number of gentlemen

1007
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:23,480
from the CIA the chief of which was Ron

1008
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:26,330
Pandolfi otherwise known as the Pelican

1009
00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:31,730
and actually initiated into the Avery

1010
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:35,960
but in a very joking fashion I said well

1011
00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:38,570
of course I'm mocking but and well

1012
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:41,480
people took that on whether anything

1013
00:46:46,890 --> 00:46:44,390
came from that I don't bet I went to

1014
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:46,900
lunch with these five CIA men and

1015
00:46:52,060 --> 00:46:49,100
actually I took a picture of them which

1016
00:46:54,850 --> 00:46:52,070
is bad practice and it was not expected

1017
00:46:58,780 --> 00:46:54,860
and I think that's been published on the

1018
00:47:01,930 --> 00:46:58,790
internet many years later I have a

1019
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:01,940
picture and they were interested in I

1020
00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:03,770
thought they were gonna be interested in

1021
00:47:07,570 --> 00:47:06,380
crop circles so why be an ass but they

1022
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:07,580
weren't particularly interested in crop

1023
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:09,410
circles at all they were interested in

1024
00:47:14,770 --> 00:47:11,300
the people involved they were interested

1025
00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:14,780
in UFO people they talked about Condor

1026
00:47:20,860 --> 00:47:18,440
on Falcon and this was the main sort of

1027
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:20,870
focus as far as I can see they could

1028
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:22,610
really take off on this one

1029
00:47:28,860 --> 00:47:25,340
while you were in DC and 92 didn't you

1030
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:28,870
have a daylight sighting of a UFO

1031
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:31,910
absolutely it was a number of years and

1032
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:34,610
it was some there were other witnesses

1033
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:37,610
with me two more with me I even took a

1034
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:40,910
photograph of the first year phone to

1035
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:44,060
appear which was high in the sky but

1036
00:47:49,930 --> 00:47:47,450
this was definitely a UFO in the normal

1037
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,940
sense of the word it wasn't it wasn't an

1038
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:52,400
airplane or a satellite or a bird or

1039
00:47:57,140 --> 00:47:55,340
anything anywhere it was a UFO I'm so

1040
00:47:59,660 --> 00:47:57,150
puzzle to this day

1041
00:48:03,380 --> 00:47:59,670
exactly what it was and I can't say for

1042
00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:03,390
certain that it was a craft or even any

1043
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:06,360
physical object we're getting off at

1044
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:08,940
tangent here but we can cover that

1045
00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:10,800
another time if you want but you know I

1046
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:13,350
need to get back to the aviary here okay

1047
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:15,000
because supposedly these people were

1048
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:18,300
involved in government disinformation

1049
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:21,930
efforts related to UFOs so if you're

1050
00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:23,490
part of the group can we say you're

1051
00:48:42,860 --> 00:48:33,640
mark more of a joke in handing out names

1052
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:42,870
to worse people and I think William

1053
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:45,210
Moore was one of the ones who made up

1054
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:47,160
quite a lot of the names a lot of people

1055
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,450
got a name John Alexander got a name but

1056
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,280
no I was find it interesting that you

1057
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:55,140
should be Mockingbird and you've been

1058
00:49:01,160 --> 00:48:57,690
digging into the dirt in this field for

1059
00:49:02,510 --> 00:49:01,170
twenty five thirty thirty years I find

1060
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:02,520
it very interesting that that's the name

1061
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:04,890
that that you have attached to your own

1062
00:49:12,350 --> 00:49:08,010
involvement I gave myself the name

1063
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Mockingbird because I saw the amusing

1064
00:49:18,530 --> 00:49:15,690
side of some of this and the craziness

1065
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,540
of it all at that early stage and I'll

1066
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:19,200
tell you what

1067
00:49:24,410 --> 00:49:22,140
before I do UFO sighting I I remember it

1068
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:24,420
so well I remember it to this day and

1069
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:27,750
it's most peculiar and I will probably a

1070
00:49:33,350 --> 00:49:30,120
writer write a book about this at some

1071
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:33,360
later stage but that happened on April

1072
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:37,170
13th 1992 right over the Washington

1073
00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:40,980
Monument exactly two or three days

1074
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,950
earlier I've been at a UFO conference in

1075
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:46,800
Atlanta Georgia and for the very first

1076
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:50,640
time I had met John Alexander general

1077
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,010
Stubblebine ed Dame's and all those

1078
00:50:01,220 --> 00:49:57,960
characters and they talked about

1079
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:01,230
psychotronic warfare it suddenly

1080
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:03,750
occurred to me that this UFO sighting

1081
00:50:10,860 --> 00:50:07,650
might have been someone playing games

1082
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:10,870
with my head with some

1083
00:50:16,860 --> 00:50:14,290
weapon from a distance by being a turn

1084
00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:16,870
and I have no reason to think that but

1085
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:22,420
that brings us to Green get green green

1086
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:26,110
had he was the predecessor of Rompin

1087
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:30,370
toffee at the sort of UFO desk they

1088
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:31,570
didn't call it that I forgot what they

1089
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,110
call it at the CIA and Technology

1090
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:36,400
chanson technology that's right

1091
00:50:42,180 --> 00:50:38,950
so isn't that where this all happened

1092
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:42,190
just for then a few days yeah it's also

1093
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:45,010
the location where a Stanford has had a

1094
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,290
quite a number of very sensational

1095
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:48,880
sightings that he's been able to

1096
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:50,770
document in greater or lesser ways

1097
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:52,690
depending on the event you know this

1098
00:50:58,650 --> 00:50:55,810
whole idea of the aviary and you know

1099
00:51:00,810 --> 00:50:58,660
some of the cast of characters that you

1100
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:00,820
know you you hear about of course you

1101
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,070
mentioned John Alexander Richard Doty

1102
00:51:07,650 --> 00:51:06,160
Robert Collins Jack Verona is another

1103
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:07,660
one that not many people I think out

1104
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:10,390
there aware of or Jamie Shand era coming

1105
00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:12,370
next week on the power cast will be

1106
00:51:18,450 --> 00:51:15,940
featuring Ted row of narc app and we'll

1107
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:18,460
be covering some of the key sightings

1108
00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:21,640
that the organization is investigating

1109
00:51:27,210 --> 00:51:24,150
we'll get into more details about this

1110
00:51:29,550 --> 00:51:27,220
aviary and its members in our next

1111
00:51:37,529 --> 00:51:29,560
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1112
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1130
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1131
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1132
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1133
00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:27,349
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1134
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:29,180
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1135
00:52:32,260 --> 00:52:30,650
stating a central bank issuing the

1136
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:32,270
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1137
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:33,410
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1138
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1139
00:52:38,380 --> 00:52:36,559
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1140
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:38,390
that explains our monetary system call

1141
00:52:45,099 --> 00:52:41,930
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1142
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:45,109
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1144
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,980
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00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:30,980
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1161
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,940
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1162
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:33,680
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1167
00:54:02,550 --> 00:53:58,810
welcome back to to the para cast the

1168
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:02,560
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1169
00:54:10,270 --> 00:54:07,450
now here's Jane Steinberg

1170
00:54:14,570 --> 00:54:10,280
[Music]

1171
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:14,580
so the aviary those people involved in

1172
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:16,770
alleged UFO disinformation or just

1173
00:54:21,950 --> 00:54:19,740
having a lot of fun at the expense of

1174
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,960
other people or just having nothing to

1175
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,480
do on a Saturday night so they go to the

1176
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:26,400
bar and they just talk and have some

1177
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:29,310
drinks funny none of the above George

1178
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:33,630
Wingfield I think that probably if

1179
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:36,410
anyone thought the AVR all sat down

1180
00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:39,060
solemnly together and discuss ways of

1181
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:42,630
spreading disinformation or what they

1182
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:44,430
should do next or what they should tell

1183
00:54:49,070 --> 00:54:46,830
the aliens I think that's entirely wrong

1184
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:49,080
I think these people are interested in

1185
00:54:55,339 --> 00:54:51,359
the subject in various ways or another

1186
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:55,349
they may have had agendas probably

1187
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,090
separate agendas rather than all the

1188
00:55:03,500 --> 00:54:59,760
same agenda but my particular interest

1189
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:03,510
is why was this information being fed

1190
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:06,570
via Richard Doty to all these people

1191
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:09,359
down in New Mexico he was based in

1192
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:10,859
Albuquerque everything seemed to be

1193
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:13,290
going on around Albuquerque Chris and

1194
00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:15,420
I've know a few of that but there was

1195
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:18,140
this meeting in Albuquerque in 979

1196
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,440
mutilations

1197
00:55:24,620 --> 00:55:21,900
here are some Schmitt conference no that

1198
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:24,630
was before my time right okay well is he

1199
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:29,250
was there a lot of strange people came

1200
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:31,770
to that probably including Richard Doty

1201
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:35,790
and whether a lot of this disinformation

1202
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:37,770
all this stuff about mutilations

1203
00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:42,330
underground spaces mj-12 whether that

1204
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:45,750
was a lot of local initiative from

1205
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:49,140
Richard Doty and his people I don't know

1206
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:50,609
maybe it came from Washington

1207
00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:51,990
maybe this is all dished out from

1208
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:54,270
Washington these guys were told to give

1209
00:55:59,810 --> 00:55:57,690
this to Linda ha and first others we

1210
00:56:02,120 --> 00:55:59,820
should discuss the the Linda Howe

1211
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,130
connection between Richard Doty and

1212
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,280
these so called aviary members for our

1213
00:56:09,250 --> 00:56:07,440
new listeners folks that aren't quite up

1214
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:09,260
to speed on this particular scenario

1215
00:56:15,290 --> 00:56:12,810
Linda Howe was taken by the Air Force

1216
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:15,300
Office of intelligence agent Richard

1217
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:17,710
Doty she wasn't allowed to

1218
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:20,050
bored the conversation she wasn't

1219
00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:22,930
allowed to take notes but Dodie laid a

1220
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,380
major I think psychological whammy on

1221
00:56:31,170 --> 00:56:29,680
her which affected her to this day as

1222
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:31,180
soon as she was done with the meeting of

1223
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:34,470
course she scribbled it furiously uh

1224
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:37,390
copious notes about the meeting but

1225
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:39,490
essentially you know this gives us a

1226
00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:42,430
kind of a glimpse a window into the

1227
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:44,710
thinking of a potential government

1228
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:46,930
agenda of disinformation back in the

1229
00:56:52,260 --> 00:56:50,260
late 80s mid to late 80s and I I think

1230
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,270
that you know George you've been

1231
00:56:57,540 --> 00:56:55,359
monitoring this for a long time there's

1232
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,550
certain characters that that seem to be

1233
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:00,400
lurking around in the background of a

1234
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,530
lot of these things and Dan Smith is a

1235
00:57:08,460 --> 00:57:05,200
name that keeps coming up he contacted

1236
00:57:11,579 --> 00:57:08,470
me early on in the early 90s what do you

1237
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:11,589
think of Dan Smith one time I thought he

1238
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:14,800
was completely nuts he had a sort of

1239
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:18,130
double act with Rosemarie guiley I was

1240
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:21,670
out of 91 on 92 I forget which the two

1241
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:25,420
of them came over to England together to

1242
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:28,690
find out about the crop circles to talk

1243
00:57:33,180 --> 00:57:30,130
to everybody connected with the crop

1244
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:33,190
circles to research what was really

1245
00:57:38,099 --> 00:57:35,800
going on and what was happening and they

1246
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:38,109
actually stayed at my house they behave

1247
00:57:43,130 --> 00:57:40,960
very strangely they sort of pretended to

1248
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:43,140
be a couple they weren't a couple but

1249
00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:46,570
they made lots of recordings they went

1250
00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:50,200
asking people all sorts of stuff and on

1251
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:52,750
one occasion I have them staying there

1252
00:57:57,180 --> 00:57:54,609
and I was due to give it a give a

1253
00:58:00,240 --> 00:57:57,190
lecture at some conference on the next

1254
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:00,250
day about 50 miles away and in the

1255
00:58:05,130 --> 00:58:02,230
morning I said alright okay we got a

1256
00:58:07,410 --> 00:58:05,140
move out now and Dan Smith and Rose

1257
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:07,420
riccati said oh well there they have

1258
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:09,640
some excuse they something in the car

1259
00:58:15,690 --> 00:58:12,040
broken down or I can't remember they

1260
00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:15,700
said oh we can't we can't come now is it

1261
00:58:22,589 --> 00:58:20,200
okay if we stay another night that's not

1262
00:58:25,099 --> 00:58:22,599
what I wanted but I let them do this

1263
00:58:27,329 --> 00:58:25,109
whether they went through my computer or

1264
00:58:29,490 --> 00:58:27,339
what I don't know what they got up to

1265
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:29,500
they were the most

1266
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:32,140
extraordinary couple and they were

1267
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:34,780
closely connected with CIA people I

1268
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:36,880
wouldn't say they what the CIA but they

1269
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:38,710
were connected with quite a lot of

1270
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,740
people well Dan Smith hold on George Dan

1271
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:43,839
Smith is you know really good friends

1272
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:46,900
Ron Pandolfi as for 20 years he's been

1273
00:58:52,740 --> 00:58:49,660
reminding everybody but rosemary guy Lee

1274
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:52,750
what sort of skinny do we have on her so

1275
00:59:00,120 --> 00:58:56,200
she was sick of sleeps with Dan Smith's

1276
00:59:03,290 --> 00:59:00,130
back then in 91 92 and she wrote a lot

1277
00:59:06,809 --> 00:59:03,300
of articles on these subjects she

1278
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:06,819
suddenly UFOs crop circles all sorts of

1279
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:10,930
paranormal things of this kind and she

1280
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:12,550
you know the two of them worked as a

1281
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:15,430
team at the time they came to Britain an

1282
00:59:23,220 --> 00:59:20,170
interesting well let's fast forward a

1283
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:23,230
couple of years to 1994 and the

1284
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:26,380
disappearance of a navy ship a destroyer

1285
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:29,380
that you were looking into and I seem to

1286
00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:31,810
remember a story that you you gave a

1287
00:59:36,930 --> 00:59:33,849
presentation at a conference and then

1288
00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:36,940
were accosted and like physically

1289
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:40,180
assaulted by two shadowy figures that

1290
00:59:51,780 --> 00:59:48,300
okay good I'm glad that's not true

1291
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:51,790
because or if it is true I'm interested

1292
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:54,150
to know why you don't think it's true I

1293
01:00:00,270 --> 00:59:57,130
remember hearing early on that you were

1294
01:00:03,630 --> 01:00:00,280
investigating a case involving the

1295
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:03,640
disappearance of I think a US Navy

1296
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:06,970
destroyer if I'm not mistaken I'm going

1297
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:10,569
off the top of my head here and that you

1298
01:00:14,849 --> 01:00:12,190
know pretty much given a wake-up call

1299
01:00:17,339 --> 01:00:14,859
and told not to dive into this is this

1300
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:17,349
true no I don't think this is true I

1301
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,630
mean the only disappearing ship I can

1302
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:22,000
think of is the alleged Philadelphia

1303
01:00:29,579 --> 01:00:24,250
Experiment which I think the whole thing

1304
01:00:32,220 --> 01:00:29,589
is a hoax or unbelievable you know what

1305
01:00:34,770 --> 01:00:32,230
I'm talking about I take it that was

1306
01:00:36,809 --> 01:00:34,780
true right well some people have said

1307
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:36,819
that John keel and Ivan Sanderson came

1308
01:00:41,370 --> 01:00:38,770
up with the original story as a joke at

1309
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:41,380
a party in it it grew legs and flew away

1310
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:43,420
but

1311
01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:45,130
so you were not told to cease and desist

1312
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:48,700
any sort of investigation or further

1313
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:52,180
follow-up about oh no I think this is

1314
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:54,609
just a story I'll tell you a lot more

1315
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:58,049
about the disappearance of mh370 but

1316
01:01:05,010 --> 01:01:01,359
that's another topic well you know what

1317
01:01:05,819 --> 01:01:05,020
having raised it let's pursue it tell us

1318
01:01:11,490 --> 01:01:05,829
more

1319
01:01:13,530 --> 01:01:11,500
ok well very very briefly sum it up what

1320
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,540
comes to me is the only possible

1321
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:15,760
explanation isn't the captain of the

1322
01:01:23,069 --> 01:01:18,790
airliner who's captain zaharie ahmad

1323
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:23,079
shah he was a very skilled pilot he was

1324
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:27,280
very senior in Malaysian Airlines and he

1325
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:32,890
I think committed suicide and took the

1326
01:01:37,740 --> 01:01:35,530
whole plane with him just to sum it up

1327
01:01:39,329 --> 01:01:37,750
he must have been the one he had to be

1328
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:39,339
in the one who turned off the

1329
01:01:45,089 --> 01:01:42,430
transponder on the ACARS equipment which

1330
01:01:50,670 --> 01:01:45,099
meant that the plane became invisible to

1331
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:50,680
this civilian control and I believe I

1332
01:01:55,380 --> 01:01:52,990
can't prove this that he made some kind

1333
01:01:58,079 --> 01:01:55,390
of a demand or threat to the Malaysian

1334
01:02:02,599 --> 01:01:58,089
government and if they didn't do what he

1335
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:02,609
wanted he would never be seen again and

1336
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:06,730
there was absolutely no chance that they

1337
01:02:12,089 --> 01:02:09,490
could do what he wanted which it has

1338
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:12,099
been suggested was to release the leader

1339
01:02:18,539 --> 01:02:15,970
of the Malaysian opposition who have

1340
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:18,549
been just convicted to five years in

1341
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:20,650
jail for a trump on a trumped-up charge

1342
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:26,049
of sodomy and well any message was

1343
01:02:34,220 --> 01:02:28,650
received by the relation government from

1344
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:34,230
captain Shah any message or threat or

1345
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:37,089
demand we don't know for certain

1346
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and certainly one newspaper The Daily

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Mail in Britain a received copy of an

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email which contained just such a threat

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saying you know unless you rescind this

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jail sentence on the Malaysian

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opposition later you'll never see the

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airliner again you know it's not coming

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back and whether the Malaysian

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government suppressed such a message or

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pretending they never received it or

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maybe they did never see if it we don't

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know but I think all of the

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disappearance of the airliner can be

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pinned on the captain who probably

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locked the copilot part of the cabin

1361
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yes of co-pilots going get him a coffee

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or something and then locked him out and

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I think there's also another report that

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the copilot's cellphone I got turned on

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when the plane was flying after the

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changed course it's flying someone else

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1483
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let me stop here George yeah pilot

1484
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,040
locked out the copilot why why because

1485
01:08:21,289 --> 01:08:18,960
he wanted to turn off the transponder

1486
01:08:23,450 --> 01:08:21,299
and the acres equipment and change

1487
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:23,460
course that wasn't gonna be very easy to

1488
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do who would say what the hell do you

1489
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:29,130
think you're doing why are you changing

1490
01:08:35,629 --> 01:08:31,560
course the guy got locked out as

1491
01:08:37,939 --> 01:08:35,639
obviously can be done the captain was in

1492
01:08:40,939 --> 01:08:37,949
a suicidal state not any because his

1493
01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:40,949
marriage had just broken up his mistress

1494
01:08:46,340 --> 01:08:43,739
had apparently abandoned him his

1495
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,350
political hero had been sentenced to

1496
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:48,900
five years in jail he was surly pissed

1497
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off Oh

1498
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:53,960
Occam's razor sometimes the most obvious

1499
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:57,239
possible scenario is behind any sort of

1500
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:59,279
motivation for an event like that of

1501
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:00,719
course what do you think of all the

1502
01:09:07,189 --> 01:09:04,319
internet banter and these bizarre

1503
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:07,199
off-the-wall theories that have evidence

1504
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:09,449
laud for the past two months oh I think

1505
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:11,909
these are just the general conspiracy

1506
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:14,370
theories you're ganna get I mean I've

1507
01:09:19,729 --> 01:09:16,620
ran a half a dozen of them most of them

1508
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,739
really don't ring true some people are

1509
01:09:25,789 --> 01:09:22,080
suggesting that you know the plane was

1510
01:09:28,459 --> 01:09:25,799
landed on Diego Garcia or else it was

1511
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:28,469
shot down as approached Diego Garcia

1512
01:09:34,190 --> 01:09:30,510
which

1513
01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:34,200
by aliens yes of course abducted by

1514
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,280
aliens because when we went to the you

1515
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:40,380
know the Ozark UFO conference in Eureka

1516
01:09:44,780 --> 01:09:42,840
Springs Arkansas last month who should

1517
01:09:48,230 --> 01:09:44,790
appear as one of the speakers but George

1518
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:48,240
Noory from coast-to-coast your favorite

1519
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:01,440
radio broadcaster mh370 and he said well

1520
01:10:08,210 --> 01:10:04,470
I really don't have any ideas on that

1521
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:08,220
but I have asked my chief remote viewer

1522
01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:11,370
and let's see what he says Oh Ames oh

1523
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:17,160
boy so totally discredited I mean I know

1524
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:19,080
why anyone should ask him anything I'd

1525
01:10:23,690 --> 01:10:21,420
expect to get the sensible answer right

1526
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,700
the hale-bopp companion was going to

1527
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:25,980
eradicate the rainforest I remember that

1528
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:28,500
one back in 97 all right

1529
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:33,600
yes well I remember the things so Wow I

1530
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:36,960
was at a UFO conference in Pensacola

1531
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:40,320
Beach just before all that business and

1532
01:10:45,530 --> 01:10:43,020
you can see how pop up in the sky

1533
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:45,540
everybody was very excited and then we

1534
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:47,910
had this thing this is the I think it

1535
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,850
went exactly when it was proclaimed as

1536
01:10:55,490 --> 01:10:53,520
the companion hale-bopp which is flying

1537
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:55,500
along behind this is what alleged the

1538
01:11:00,020 --> 01:10:58,110
Heaven's Gate people when I was Courtney

1539
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,030
brown I think actually well it was

1540
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:02,400
Courtney brown her viewed it but the

1541
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:05,450
person who invented the the alleged

1542
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:09,090
companion shacks Romick who lived in

1543
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:11,640
Houston Texas right and he was a

1544
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:14,460
complete idiot and he was always pulling

1545
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:17,250
stunts of this kind and he'd taken a

1546
01:11:22,340 --> 01:11:20,270
very good photograph which are

1547
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:22,350
astronomical photograph which had been

1548
01:11:29,780 --> 01:11:25,770
taken of Hell bar by a professor and you

1549
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:29,790
H in Hawaii and he'd added the companion

1550
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:32,330
object you know it's just a simple bill

1551
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:34,770
fudgie I wouldn't say it was done with

1552
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:36,570
Photoshop is I didn't think that was

1553
01:11:42,230 --> 01:11:39,330
around back then but it was it was

1554
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:42,240
around Photoshop yeah I learned

1555
01:11:43,729 --> 01:11:43,200
Photoshop

1556
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:43,739
9

1557
01:11:48,529 --> 01:11:46,710
since I think okay let me see okay fine

1558
01:11:50,839 --> 01:11:48,539
it was just a bummer I'm oh ah maybe he

1559
01:11:53,779 --> 01:11:50,849
used Photoshop but Annie anyway he made

1560
01:11:56,660 --> 01:11:53,789
quite a convincing picture of Hal Barton

1561
01:12:00,200 --> 01:11:56,670
this unknown object which is some of

1562
01:12:03,049 --> 01:12:00,210
glowing like a star or nebula alongside

1563
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:03,059
and then he'd sent this off to coast to

1564
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:05,670
coast and people like the Courtney brown

1565
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,739
and which he streamer had sort of

1566
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:09,360
latched onto and thought this best

1567
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:11,400
possible thing no I'm bothered say well

1568
01:12:15,919 --> 01:12:13,409
how about another picture is the object

1569
01:12:17,629 --> 01:12:15,929
still there and no I don't even bother

1570
01:12:20,419 --> 01:12:17,639
to think about that of course the object

1571
01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,429
wasn't still no it was forged but the

1572
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,860
the professor of astronomy you actually

1573
01:12:26,540 --> 01:12:24,840
took the original photograph and took

1574
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:26,550
you know took several weeks who bowed

1575
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:29,249
and said this is my photo and someone's

1576
01:12:37,129 --> 01:12:34,170
faithless object art Bell didn't mention

1577
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:37,139
that Bell didn't mention that he thought

1578
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:39,659
it was too good a story Courtney brown

1579
01:12:44,569 --> 01:12:41,460
was complete maniac you know he was

1580
01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:44,579
rather like James he was gonna make a

1581
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:47,190
huge amount of money by remote J and

1582
01:12:51,379 --> 01:12:49,530
this is an obvious one to jump on he

1583
01:12:54,109 --> 01:12:51,389
gave remote viewing courses thing when

1584
01:12:55,879 --> 01:12:54,119
he Brian does actually John for those of

1585
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:55,889
you in the audience that aren't aware of

1586
01:12:59,540 --> 01:12:58,110
who Courtney brown is I think what was

1587
01:13:01,399 --> 01:12:59,550
the name of the book George cosmic

1588
01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:01,409
voyage he claimed that there was a a

1589
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:05,460
rescued colony of Martians living

1590
01:13:09,979 --> 01:13:08,159
underground under Mount Baldy I think

1591
01:13:14,330 --> 01:13:09,989
just look right north and east of Santa

1592
01:13:15,739 --> 01:13:14,340
Fe I missed I missed I really that was

1593
01:13:18,140 --> 01:13:15,749
one of my favorite we're sort of

1594
01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:18,150
digressing a little bit here George you

1595
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,190
have been going - I don't know countless

1596
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:22,320
numbers of conferences you've been a

1597
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:24,900
perennial attendee of the Eureka Springs

1598
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:27,329
conference you know going on almost 30

1599
01:13:31,370 --> 01:13:29,489
years that's right you know you you

1600
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:31,380
named yourself Mockingbird well let's

1601
01:13:35,810 --> 01:13:33,360
let's kind of go into some of the

1602
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,820
figures in the field first of all let's

1603
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,159
talk about the figures in the field that

1604
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:41,280
you feel are legit and then we'll kind

1605
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:43,409
of flesh out our list of people that you

1606
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,050
have contrary feelings about obviously

1607
01:13:51,739 --> 01:13:48,719
you're you Chris obviously you're legit

1608
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:51,749
but you collect I've been reading your

1609
01:13:56,419 --> 01:13:54,449
button usually enjoying it and there's a

1610
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:56,429
huge amount of strangeness

1611
01:14:01,129 --> 01:13:59,010
from all sorts of different figures I do

1612
01:14:03,529 --> 01:14:01,139
notice with books like yours you

1613
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:03,539
occasionally some name pops up who I

1614
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:05,489
know to be a complete maniac and I

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:07,289
wouldn't believe a word he said I was

1616
01:14:12,169 --> 01:14:10,010
just looking through your books now and

1617
01:14:15,049 --> 01:14:12,179
the name which struck me if this was

1618
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:15,059
Toni Dodd who was British and I thought

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01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:17,610
he was complete you know complete not so

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01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:20,070
I wouldn't bother too much with what he

1621
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:20,489
said

1622
01:14:25,489 --> 01:14:23,249
okay other researchers who I have great

1623
01:14:27,799 --> 01:14:25,499
respect for as David Marla can you ever

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01:14:30,859 --> 01:14:27,809
read his book triangular UFOs which came

1625
01:14:33,109 --> 01:14:30,869
out last year right you contributed I

1626
01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:33,119
think chapter and that didn't you that's

1627
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:35,670
correct yes okay and you and Philip man

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01:14:41,390 --> 01:14:38,670
mantle is another one that springs to

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01:14:44,029 --> 01:14:41,400
mind and of course we could go in and

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01:14:47,660 --> 01:14:44,039
talk about the race and Tilly Bob kiveat

1631
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:47,670
alien autopsy Fiasco but continue it was

1632
01:14:52,009 --> 01:14:49,650
a complete fiasco race I'll tell you

1633
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:52,019
talked about that separately and I did

1634
01:14:55,009 --> 01:14:53,610
research that one and came from

1635
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:55,019
collusion the whole thing's complete

1636
01:15:02,209 --> 01:14:58,050
fake complete hoax and not to be

1637
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:02,219
believed but I listened a lot to I think

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01:15:08,989 --> 01:15:06,239
John Alexander is good because a lot of

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people will say oh my god he was the

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penguin and he may be involved in all

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sorts of disinformation and shouldn't

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believe a word he says I believe a lot

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of what John Alexander says and I

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01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:20,959
listened very carefully to what he says

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had quite a bit of email contact with

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John I know John and well what do you

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think of as his book that came out a

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couple of years back the UFO book where

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he fails to mention the NRO the National

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Reconnaissance organization anywhere in

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his book what are we supposed to make of

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that I hadn't I hadn't actually thought

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about the failure to mention the NRO

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obviously what you have to make with

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John is is that he he was in the

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obviously had to take in the military

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[Music]

1764
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:12,770
so as we ended that segment with George

1765
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,810
Wingfield Nick Pope's name was mentioned

1766
01:21:21,940 --> 01:21:18,000
and as Chris is going to tell you we had

1767
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:21,950
him on last week young absolutely and he

1768
01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:24,810
straight straight and honest researcher

1769
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,540
I respect what makes says and I think

1770
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:30,000
these book is fantastic I really really

1771
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:35,520
do but I'm being dragged off I haven't

1772
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:39,750
quite finished with with him please

1773
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:41,730
continue because I want to get into a

1774
01:21:47,540 --> 01:21:45,390
big low and Bob Lazar format

1775
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:47,550
incorporation together and a bunch of

1776
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:50,370
stuff absolutely yes of course but Joel

1777
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:53,850
Alexander okay we're a wireless there

1778
01:21:59,780 --> 01:21:56,070
are certain things he simply cannot talk

1779
01:22:01,880 --> 01:21:59,790
about and I zeroed in on one thing which

1780
01:22:05,180 --> 01:22:01,890
I thought I really had to ask him the

1781
01:22:07,850 --> 01:22:05,190
question and the question of course is

1782
01:22:11,660 --> 01:22:07,860
what do you make of the cash Flandre

1783
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:11,670
business in 1980 you know the story of

1784
01:22:17,660 --> 01:22:14,220
cash Landrum yes we do we did have a

1785
01:22:20,630 --> 01:22:17,670
special episode on cash and Ramiro -

1786
01:22:22,190 --> 01:22:20,640
back with two people who had followed

1787
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,200
the case very closely so we had

1788
01:22:26,330 --> 01:22:24,480
extensive information on it and what did

1789
01:22:28,730 --> 01:22:26,340
you come to any conclusions what was

1790
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:28,740
going on well I had the impression we

1791
01:22:34,190 --> 01:22:31,530
know of course we have the radiation

1792
01:22:36,170 --> 01:22:34,200
side effects and I have the impression

1793
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:36,180
though this may have been some sort of

1794
01:22:44,180 --> 01:22:40,650
test aircraft well okay I had theory I

1795
01:22:46,490 --> 01:22:44,190
put it to John I'll tell you a little

1796
01:22:49,700 --> 01:22:46,500
more specifically

1797
01:22:51,050 --> 01:22:49,710
exactly what what I suggesting first of

1798
01:22:52,730 --> 01:22:51,060
all just to go back

1799
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:52,740
most people assume this was nuclear

1800
01:22:59,480 --> 01:22:55,140
radiation which affected the two women

1801
01:23:02,030 --> 01:22:59,490
and the son and Jai Examiner says no it

1802
01:23:04,130 --> 01:23:02,040
wasn't nuclear radiation they'd be dead

1803
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:04,140
by now if that's what it was it might

1804
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:07,560
have been extreme heat yes you're very

1805
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:09,210
close to something like a blast furnace

1806
01:23:16,370 --> 01:23:12,570
which is extremely hot you get similar

1807
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:16,380
sort of radiation burns and there aren't

1808
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:17,760
necessarily fatal but they're very

1809
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,610
unpleasant and so he suggested that but

1810
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:22,560
my approach to the cash Landrum thing

1811
01:23:28,910 --> 01:23:25,080
was to think back to year 1980 and what

1812
01:23:30,830 --> 01:23:28,920
was going on and what was going on as

1813
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:30,840
everybody who can remember 1980

1814
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:33,840
shouldn't it was the Tehran hostage

1815
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:47,840
siege where the American Embassy and and

1816
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:52,620
to understanding of what I suggested on

1817
01:24:01,100 --> 01:23:56,640
the calendar by far was you need to know

1818
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:01,110
that 1980 the whole country president

1819
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:04,170
the military just about everybody was

1820
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:07,560
concentrated on what was going to happen

1821
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:10,890
about the US hostages in Tehran 52 of

1822
01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:14,130
them I believe they were in fact kept as

1823
01:24:22,670 --> 01:24:18,750
hostages for 444 days and there was a

1824
01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:22,680
rescue earth to get them back which

1825
01:24:27,950 --> 01:24:25,380
failed completely with the loss of one

1826
01:24:31,190 --> 01:24:27,960
of the lives of eight American

1827
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:31,200
servicemen in April of that year April

1828
01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:33,690
1980 that was called Operation Eagle

1829
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:39,720
Claw it was a complete disaster and then

1830
01:24:46,580 --> 01:24:44,610
after that another operation was going

1831
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:46,590
to be mounting it was called Operation

1832
01:24:54,140 --> 01:24:51,600
honey badger and they had to rescue the

1833
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:54,150
hostages a lot of people in the military

1834
01:24:59,600 --> 01:24:57,780
and special Group this is all ultra

1835
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:59,610
secret of course who are focused on

1836
01:25:04,189 --> 01:25:00,239
risking

1837
01:25:06,470 --> 01:25:04,199
hostages my suggestion was that a nun to

1838
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:06,480
rescue hostages under these seconds and

1839
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:09,090
since you needed some kind of a hugely

1840
01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:13,409
bright lighting device possibly and by a

1841
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:16,230
small nuclear reactor which you'd fly

1842
01:25:22,009 --> 01:25:19,650
into the building near to our hostages

1843
01:25:25,459 --> 01:25:22,019
have been held you put it down on the

1844
01:25:28,279 --> 01:25:25,469
roof everybody arrived including the

1845
01:25:32,169 --> 01:25:28,289
guards the Revolutionary Guards would be

1846
01:25:34,939 --> 01:25:32,179
blinded but your um your seals and your

1847
01:25:36,859 --> 01:25:34,949
Special Forces troops were going with

1848
01:25:38,359 --> 01:25:36,869
special goggles they'd be able to see

1849
01:25:40,669 --> 01:25:38,369
what they were doing they get hostages

1850
01:25:45,950 --> 01:25:40,679
out of that and fly them out this is

1851
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:45,960
what I suggested was being tested when

1852
01:25:55,549 --> 01:25:51,090
the unfortunate Betty cash and Vickie

1853
01:25:59,839 --> 01:25:55,559
Landrum came into close proximity is

1854
01:26:03,470 --> 01:25:59,849
this object okay which had some reason

1855
01:26:06,609 --> 01:26:03,480
had been forced to land on a road where

1856
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:06,619
they were driving and that also explains

1857
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:11,249
all the helicopters sure this is one of

1858
01:26:16,879 --> 01:26:14,639
the reasons and I said well this had to

1859
01:26:21,109 --> 01:26:16,889
be some kind of a military exercise or

1860
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:21,119
operation or secret test you don't get

1861
01:26:29,919 --> 01:26:27,300
23 helicopters but I read what did

1862
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:29,929
Alexander say when you posed this - I

1863
01:26:37,489 --> 01:26:33,570
got a very bland reply saying well I

1864
01:26:42,910 --> 01:26:37,499
have looked into this and one of my

1865
01:26:44,839 --> 01:26:42,920
military colleagues was hated the

1866
01:26:46,939 --> 01:26:44,849
Commission which is meant to try and

1867
01:26:48,819 --> 01:26:46,949
find out what went on there and they

1868
01:26:51,410 --> 01:26:48,829
come to the conclusion that the

1869
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:51,420
helicopters didn't belong to the US

1870
01:26:59,779 --> 01:26:55,679
military and noted the this hugely

1871
01:27:02,390 --> 01:26:59,789
bright and hot object which came down

1872
01:27:09,290 --> 01:27:02,400
and it's nothing to do with that so

1873
01:27:11,629 --> 01:27:09,300
sorry about that but so this is an

1874
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:11,639
example of John Alexander not being able

1875
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:12,960
to confirm a

1876
01:27:20,060 --> 01:27:18,239
nah-uh what he may know he did deny he

1877
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:20,070
denied it was anything to do with the US

1878
01:27:25,820 --> 01:27:23,190
military as I asked you and their two

1879
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:25,830
ways of looking at that if you think

1880
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:29,690
yeah the US military which I still do

1881
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:34,050
he's lying and otherwise he just wasn't

1882
01:27:39,500 --> 01:27:36,960
in the loop this is ultra secret and

1883
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:39,510
maybe he just wasn't in the loop well

1884
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:42,300
who else in the field do you have do you

1885
01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:44,760
hold in some esteem in terms of you

1886
01:27:52,190 --> 01:27:47,100
mentioned Nick Pope you mentioned John

1887
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:52,200
Alexander with a caveat obviously David

1888
01:28:03,500 --> 01:27:56,130
Millar I mentioned as being a roadie son

1889
01:28:04,910 --> 01:28:03,510
and Sarah researcher there are quite a

1890
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:04,920
few others but I think the most

1891
01:28:14,300 --> 01:28:09,930
important person to mention is Jack

1892
01:28:16,670 --> 01:28:14,310
valet and I'm sure you know Jack valet

1893
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:16,680
who I always forgot just the leading

1894
01:28:22,250 --> 01:28:19,020
researcher when I came to the UFO

1895
01:28:25,580 --> 01:28:22,260
subject parted company with the rest of

1896
01:28:29,180 --> 01:28:25,590
the community in fact he was almost drum

1897
01:28:33,979 --> 01:28:29,190
dyed moved 1988 at the MUFON symposium I

1898
01:28:35,660 --> 01:28:33,989
think it was 92 was 88 when they booed

1899
01:28:37,850 --> 01:28:35,670
him off the stage it was the year before

1900
01:28:44,229 --> 01:28:37,860
Bill Moore I could be wrong but that's

1901
01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:44,239
my memory okay I have just a little

1902
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:47,400
couple of lines here which he wrote at

1903
01:28:51,500 --> 01:28:49,770
the time and he said as a scientist I've

1904
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:51,510
come to the conclusion that the genuine

1905
01:28:56,510 --> 01:28:55,290
UFO phenomenon exists it is physical and

1906
01:28:58,580 --> 01:28:56,520
it is unexplained

1907
01:29:00,200 --> 01:28:58,590
therefore I continue to investigate the

1908
01:29:01,729 --> 01:29:00,210
sightings in the field my claim that

1909
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:01,739
they represent an opportunity and

1910
01:29:06,170 --> 01:29:04,170
challenge to science I speculate

1911
01:29:09,290 --> 01:29:06,180
although I cannot prove but a nonhuman

1912
01:29:11,690 --> 01:29:09,300
form of intelligence is involved insane

1913
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:11,700
so I'm somewhat something of an irritant

1914
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:14,130
the skeptics at the same time however I

1915
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:15,890
refused to align myself with the

1916
01:29:20,959 --> 01:29:18,510
extraterrestrial party line I realized

1917
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:20,969
that my position is unpopular if I was

1918
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:23,670
so blind as to ignore it I will be

1919
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:25,320
reminded of it immediately because

1920
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:26,770
believing in Exeter s

1921
01:29:31,650 --> 01:29:28,960
trills has become a matter of faith not

1922
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:31,660
a subject of scientific debate goodness

1923
01:29:36,750 --> 01:29:34,570
said it better myself absolutely right I

1924
01:29:38,940 --> 01:29:36,760
mean he's a man we should all be

1925
01:29:42,330 --> 01:29:38,950
listening to I think and I've been

1926
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:42,340
touting his his wonderful insight and

1927
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:45,010
creative out-of-the-box thinking for

1928
01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:47,440
many years including many times on the

1929
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:50,260
para cast this gene will attest and of

1930
01:29:57,660 --> 01:29:51,610
course he's been on the show several

1931
01:29:59,580 --> 01:29:57,670
times yes the last time we had the last

1932
01:30:01,890 --> 01:29:59,590
time we had him on only for an hour

1933
01:30:03,530 --> 01:30:01,900
unfortunately I don't know whether he

1934
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:03,540
does public appearance as much anymore

1935
01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:06,370
but it was always very informative

1936
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:09,880
we've tried here and I think that puts

1937
01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:13,510
us almost alone among radio shows on the

1938
01:30:19,410 --> 01:30:17,140
paranormal to think out of the box to

1939
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:19,420
try to stretch our boundaries we have

1940
01:30:23,940 --> 01:30:21,520
George Wingfield doing some boundaries

1941
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:23,950
stretching right now more to come with

1942
01:30:30,330 --> 01:30:36,050
[Music]

1943
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:39,720
we are the premier independent talk

1944
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radio network the genesis communications

1945
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network G C end first game attack of the

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Rockets and it was a critically

1947
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acclaimed success and now there is the

1948
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coming of the protectors a former

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military intelligence man is contacted

1950
01:31:00,060 --> 01:30:57,520
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

1951
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:00,070
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1952
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:01,690
forces on our distant planet are

1953
01:31:05,580 --> 01:31:03,250
planning to conquer the earth

1954
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:05,590
this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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more at Rocko it's calm that's Rocko

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it's our Ock oids calm so here's what

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happened I was placing an order online

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01:31:23,730 --> 01:31:21,940
the site went down it took hours before

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it returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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it will stay online at iWeb your site is

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hosted on one of the most reliable

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networks in the world talk to a sales

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rep at a web.com use the promo code tech

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your leftovers freeze dry them with this

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01:32:17,460 --> 01:32:15,970
that's harvest write calm good people

1983
01:32:21,030 --> 01:32:17,470
need help the homeowners association

1984
01:32:22,770 --> 01:32:21,040
said we had weeds and fine is $25 we

1985
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:22,780
told them they had the wrong house they

1986
01:32:26,430 --> 01:32:24,130
said if we didn't pay it they'd file a

1987
01:32:28,470 --> 01:32:26,440
lien our attorney demanded photographs

1988
01:32:30,180 --> 01:32:28,480
witnesses and told him if they couldn't

1989
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:30,190
provide this they must cease and desist

1990
01:32:34,860 --> 01:32:32,800
issues solved worry less and live more

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01:32:37,170 --> 01:32:34,870
with LS protection calm

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that's LS protection calm or call eight

1993
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01:32:43,590 --> 01:32:41,350
eight five five three four zero seven

1995
01:32:48,830 --> 01:32:43,600
two eight three results will vary from

1996
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:50,630
complain about your cable bill going up

1997
01:32:54,650 --> 01:32:52,800
and up and I'll do something about it

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01:32:58,370 --> 01:32:54,660
grab a pencil and jot down this special

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2000
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2002
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2012
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live TV even skip the commercials watch

2013
01:33:30,980 --> 01:33:29,910
local channels too at just $19.99 what

2014
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:30,990
are you waiting for

2015
01:33:38,420 --> 01:33:32,730
pull out your major credit or debit card

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call 185 905 my TV 180 55 905 my TV say

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goodbye to the Cable Guy cut costs and

2018
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get more one 855 905 my TV 185 905 my TV

2019
01:33:53,090 --> 01:33:50,640
a little over a year ago I began to do a

2020
01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:53,100
lot of research into wine even if I had

2021
01:33:56,780 --> 01:33:54,600
a pretty good sized meal that I was

2022
01:33:59,360 --> 01:33:56,790
still starving and my research led me to

2023
01:34:00,860 --> 01:33:59,370
a well-known fact that most of the soils

2024
01:34:01,970 --> 01:34:00,870
that we grow our crops on here in the

2025
01:34:03,740 --> 01:34:01,980
United States and across the

2026
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:03,750
industrialized world are almost

2027
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:06,420
completely depleted of almost all of the

2028
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key minerals and trace elements that our

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bodies need to rebuild themselves fight

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off cancer and be healthy I then

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2039
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2040
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01:34:39,710 --> 01:34:37,140
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01:35:05,310 --> 01:34:56,170
Infowars teamtolly listening to the

2047
01:35:07,379 --> 01:35:05,320
podcast the gold standard of radio you

2048
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:07,389
know when we announced your appearance

2049
01:35:11,220 --> 01:35:09,130
here and started clarifying all this

2050
01:35:13,229 --> 01:35:11,230
stuff you've done George we start

2051
01:35:15,750 --> 01:35:13,239
getting interesting comments from our

2052
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:15,760
listeners maybe let's segue to one or

2053
01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:18,900
two of those Chris before we go on okay

2054
01:35:27,180 --> 01:35:24,369
sure let's go back to your original work

2055
01:35:28,979 --> 01:35:27,190
in the field and that has to do

2056
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:28,989
obviously with the crop circles because

2057
01:35:33,060 --> 01:35:31,210
I mean come on George you Pat Delgado

2058
01:35:36,330 --> 01:35:33,070
Colin Andrews you were the first people

2059
01:35:40,319 --> 01:35:36,340
to really dig into this and you know

2060
01:35:43,589 --> 01:35:40,329
much much to your credit you spent a lot

2061
01:35:46,290 --> 01:35:43,599
of time looking at this as did Patton

2062
01:35:47,879 --> 01:35:46,300
Colin and I think you were the first one

2063
01:35:49,169 --> 01:35:47,889
really to fall away from the whole thing

2064
01:35:51,629 --> 01:35:49,179
but we have a really interesting

2065
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:51,639
question from Poulter worst who's one of

2066
01:35:57,180 --> 01:35:54,820
our dedicated posters at forum dr. Perik

2067
01:35:59,640 --> 01:35:57,190
asked calm and he wants to know in your

2068
01:36:02,370 --> 01:35:59,650
opinion George is there anything to the

2069
01:36:04,589 --> 01:36:02,380
ball of light type phenomena being seen

2070
01:36:06,149 --> 01:36:04,599
around crop circles have you ever seen

2071
01:36:08,609 --> 01:36:06,159
anything yourself that would fit this

2072
01:36:12,029 --> 01:36:08,619
description well no I haven't seen a

2073
01:36:13,529 --> 01:36:12,039
bowl of life in a crop circle you could

2074
01:36:16,140 --> 01:36:13,539
say that what I saw over the Washington

2075
01:36:18,569 --> 01:36:16,150
Monument all of light they suddenly pid'

2076
01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:18,579
it appeared to be a disc it was self

2077
01:36:22,589 --> 01:36:20,920
luminous you could call that a ball of

2078
01:36:25,890 --> 01:36:22,599
light I wrote something about balls of

2079
01:36:29,010 --> 01:36:25,900
light on the pair against a blog

2080
01:36:31,859 --> 01:36:29,020
yesterday and so you have some light

2081
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:31,869
views on that both of lighting crop

2082
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:34,230
circles I didn't say to pontil West I

2083
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:39,449
said that there was a film video clip of

2084
01:36:45,149 --> 01:36:42,639
balls of light racing around making

2085
01:36:47,310 --> 01:36:45,159
props see the you know the crop going

2086
01:36:49,919 --> 01:36:47,320
down right the Oliver Castle footage

2087
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:49,929
that's absolutely right yes and that's

2088
01:36:54,810 --> 01:36:52,510
complete fate and the guy who made it

2089
01:36:56,650 --> 01:36:54,820
whose name I forget is a complete idiot

2090
01:36:59,530 --> 01:36:56,660
and he made that

2091
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:59,540
of footage which lasts for what are what

2092
01:37:03,190 --> 01:37:01,520
about two or three minutes and tried to

2093
01:37:04,780 --> 01:37:03,200
sell it to Carl and it's oh I forget

2094
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:04,790
well the Colin Adams actually bought it

2095
01:37:12,820 --> 01:37:07,370
on that but it became perfectly obvious

2096
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:12,830
it's a fake and I had a friend who oh my

2097
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:14,960
gay there was a bit of a computer geek

2098
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:18,080
and he said well I could make one of

2099
01:37:22,930 --> 01:37:21,110
those and he made a very similar pin a

2100
01:37:26,980 --> 01:37:22,940
film in fact he found a better quality

2101
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:26,990
in in about in under half an hour well

2102
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:29,210
we know now in the digital age it's

2103
01:37:35,230 --> 01:37:32,570
fairly easy for anyone proficient with

2104
01:37:37,810 --> 01:37:35,240
After Effects and other software

2105
01:37:39,940 --> 01:37:37,820
programs to to fabricate pretty much

2106
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:39,950
anything which brings up a whole subject

2107
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:42,080
about fakes on the Internet which we

2108
01:37:47,050 --> 01:37:44,870
don't need to get into but here's an

2109
01:37:49,780 --> 01:37:47,060
interesting question from Bob and DC

2110
01:37:52,990 --> 01:37:49,790
he's been at poster at forum dr. Peric

2111
01:37:55,690 --> 01:37:53,000
ascom for about seven months now and he

2112
01:37:58,210 --> 01:37:55,700
hasn't posted many questions but here's

2113
01:38:00,280 --> 01:37:58,220
a good one what is the earliest report

2114
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:00,290
of a crop circle and do they occur

2115
01:38:04,330 --> 01:38:02,570
anywhere other than the UK in the u.s.

2116
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:04,340
now we're talking about real crop

2117
01:38:11,110 --> 01:38:08,530
circles here I was able to dig up a 1606

2118
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:11,120
report of sheep mutilations around

2119
01:38:16,930 --> 01:38:14,570
London what is the earliest mowing devil

2120
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:16,940
or some sort of indication that's been

2121
01:38:23,050 --> 01:38:19,730
documented of a genuine crop circle back

2122
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,060
in the dim reaches of time well I'd hate

2123
01:38:27,310 --> 01:38:25,040
to say what a genuine crop circle was

2124
01:38:31,180 --> 01:38:27,320
but there is this wonderful story of the

2125
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:31,190
mind double where I'm somebody I can't

2126
01:38:36,340 --> 01:38:34,250
remember somebody went down and made a

2127
01:38:39,730 --> 01:38:36,350
crop circle effectively a crop circle by

2128
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:39,740
mowing the crop as they called it rather

2129
01:38:45,310 --> 01:38:43,060
harvesting the crop back then and

2130
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:45,320
whatever it was I think it was man-made

2131
01:38:51,610 --> 01:38:47,930
of course there are crop circles which

2132
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:51,620
do get formed by dust devils there are

2133
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:55,130
rough circular markings but the crop

2134
01:39:01,540 --> 01:38:57,710
circles we were talking about since 1987

2135
01:39:07,150 --> 01:39:01,550
all there are buds were usually much

2136
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:07,160
more distinct and sharp and there were

2137
01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:08,930
geometrical shapes they were usually

2138
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:09,860
circles

2139
01:39:17,410 --> 01:39:13,330
and soon after that you you've got

2140
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:17,420
passages and bars tools which came out

2141
01:39:21,940 --> 01:39:19,010
from the crop circles in fact they

2142
01:39:25,060 --> 01:39:21,950
became quite artistic and I think we're

2143
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:25,070
left with the idea this is field art or

2144
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:28,850
crop art and generally done by people

2145
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:32,090
who planned it carefully in a box they

2146
01:39:37,900 --> 01:39:34,730
planned some design they got at night

2147
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:37,910
they make it using a button some I take

2148
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:42,560
equipment like like a surveyor nowadays

2149
01:39:49,780 --> 01:39:44,930
will use some kind of a laser light to

2150
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:49,790
get straight lines and in my cube using

2151
01:39:58,960 --> 01:39:55,280
these little laser lights on this kind

2152
01:40:01,720 --> 01:39:58,970
right we had Matthew Williams on a

2153
01:40:04,750 --> 01:40:01,730
number of months ago and he gave us a

2154
01:40:06,670 --> 01:40:04,760
blow-by-blow kind of primer on how some

2155
01:40:09,340 --> 01:40:06,680
of these circles are able to be made

2156
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:09,350
overnight by teams of people that are

2157
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:11,510
very well coordinated but I have a

2158
01:40:17,050 --> 01:40:14,480
question from Poulter worst again who's

2159
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:17,060
one of our active posters at forum dr.

2160
01:40:21,340 --> 01:40:19,370
Perik asked calm and he wants to know

2161
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:21,350
what you think about Nick Pope's quote

2162
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:23,570
exotic atmospheric plasma

2163
01:40:28,690 --> 01:40:26,090
unquote theory which I guess he puts

2164
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:28,700
forth in the encounter book at least he

2165
01:40:34,450 --> 01:40:31,330
spoke about it last week on our show and

2166
01:40:36,910 --> 01:40:34,460
he says have you ever looked into has

2167
01:40:38,020 --> 01:40:36,920
Dahlan or other ball of light phenomenon

2168
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:38,030
do you think that there's something

2169
01:40:42,700 --> 01:40:39,770
anomalous here or do you think it's just

2170
01:40:44,140 --> 01:40:42,710
natural earth lights fault lights that

2171
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,150
sort of thing no I think there is

2172
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:46,400
something an ominous freakin Santa

2173
01:40:53,170 --> 01:40:50,090
Stalin I mean that's been research for

2174
01:40:56,740 --> 01:40:53,180
yes and all sorts of pretty strange

2175
01:41:00,430 --> 01:40:56,750
things you can't just say there will of

2176
01:41:03,130 --> 01:41:00,440
the wisp Marsh gas or something of this

2177
01:41:05,740 --> 01:41:03,140
kind I mean that roadie doesn't fit the

2178
01:41:08,650 --> 01:41:05,750
bill and people are still very mystified

2179
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:08,660
so there's something going on there not

2180
01:41:14,500 --> 01:41:11,210
necessarily intelligently controlled

2181
01:41:17,530 --> 01:41:14,510
lights but something of a weird nature

2182
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:17,540
and I won't give Linda her credit she

2183
01:41:23,209 --> 01:41:20,450
and she went and did quite a bit of

2184
01:41:24,950 --> 01:41:23,219
research out here Stalin and

2185
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:24,960
with a lot of interesting stuff no

2186
01:41:28,490 --> 01:41:26,250
conclusions

2187
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:28,500
I believe she thought these was

2188
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:32,790
something connecting with aliens but she

2189
01:41:38,290 --> 01:41:34,770
did a pretty good job and she lived that

2190
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:38,300
lecture at the Ozark meeting one year

2191
01:41:43,490 --> 01:41:40,770
well speaking of Linda how you know I

2192
01:41:46,130 --> 01:41:43,500
don't want this to become a bashing

2193
01:41:48,620 --> 01:41:46,140
session by any stretch Linda has done a

2194
01:41:51,770 --> 01:41:48,630
lot of work in the field she's tireless

2195
01:41:54,020 --> 01:41:51,780
she's she's very systematic about how

2196
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:54,030
she interviews people she taught me how

2197
01:42:00,970 --> 01:41:56,730
how to interview people actually early

2198
01:42:06,340 --> 01:42:00,980
on in my process but you know this whole

2199
01:42:10,990 --> 01:42:06,350
the Caray or carrot I think your article

2200
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:11,000
the drone the California drone scenario

2201
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:14,130
what do you make of attaching your

2202
01:42:19,850 --> 01:42:16,050
reputation on something that that

2203
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:19,860
obviously appears so suspect absolutely

2204
01:42:27,530 --> 01:42:24,239
fake as well I think it's very sad Linda

2205
01:42:31,790 --> 01:42:27,540
believes absolutely everything and I

2206
01:42:34,970 --> 01:42:31,800
know if that's naivety or because she

2207
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:34,980
has a earthfiles website and this sort

2208
01:42:40,670 --> 01:42:38,250
of sensational stuff she is probably not

2209
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,680
to bother whether it's true or not she

2210
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:42,960
puts it up the answer says I'm a

2211
01:42:50,180 --> 01:42:45,449
reporter and because she makes it look

2212
01:42:52,729 --> 01:42:50,190
as if it's true so Linda still believes

2213
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:52,739
in everything I mean she still believes

2214
01:43:01,220 --> 01:42:56,130
in bad alien autopsy nonsense which was

2215
01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:01,230
concocted by mr. Santilli back in 1995 I

2216
01:43:05,780 --> 01:43:02,760
don't think there's anything

2217
01:43:08,780 --> 01:43:05,790
slim that doesn't sort of come out and

2218
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,790
say that's false oh that's fate let me

2219
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:10,560
just interject here George so the

2220
01:43:16,820 --> 01:43:13,010
sentence here I get as you feel she is

2221
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:16,830
maybe too gullible and goes about

2222
01:43:22,100 --> 01:43:20,370
accepting claims as actual evidence of

2223
01:43:24,650 --> 01:43:22,110
something and that's unfortunate now I

2224
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:24,660
should tell our listeners that we have

2225
01:43:30,650 --> 01:43:28,290
actually asked Linda to come on the show

2226
01:43:32,630 --> 01:43:30,660
that answer questions the first time I

2227
01:43:35,180 --> 01:43:32,640
heard from her she was you know rare and

2228
01:43:36,620 --> 01:43:35,190
ago but I think perhaps she did a little

2229
01:43:39,620 --> 01:43:36,630
research into who we

2230
01:43:41,689 --> 01:43:39,630
are found the name Chris O'Brien I don't

2231
01:43:43,970 --> 01:43:41,699
want to say Chris's fault but I have a

2232
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:43,980
feeling she is not inclined to want to

2233
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:47,760
come on she is not responded to an email

2234
01:43:52,189 --> 01:43:50,370
I sent where I specified available dates

2235
01:43:54,649 --> 01:43:52,199
so we'll see I mean we want to be fair

2236
01:43:57,229 --> 01:43:54,659
with her if she wants to come on and

2237
01:43:59,720 --> 01:43:57,239
justify why she believes it's none of

2238
01:44:04,220 --> 01:43:59,730
these things such as et causing cattle

2239
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:04,230
mutilations such as those drones that we

2240
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:07,199
exposed years ago is just fake photos in

2241
01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:08,159
fact that's right

2242
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:09,750
what are the people who was on our show

2243
01:44:14,180 --> 01:44:12,449
pointed that the lettering I'm one of

2244
01:44:20,660 --> 01:44:14,190
those drones actually was copied from

2245
01:44:23,930 --> 01:44:20,670
Star Wars movies the Brazilian abduction

2246
01:44:25,220 --> 01:44:23,940
case that she was paid a considerable

2247
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:25,230
sum of money to come down and

2248
01:44:28,430 --> 01:44:27,449
investigate and even after they admitted

2249
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:28,440
it was a hoax

2250
01:44:33,919 --> 01:44:31,650
she kept supporting the Analects bent

2251
01:44:37,010 --> 01:44:33,929
and she still supports that alien

2252
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:37,020
autopsy as far as I know on the other

2253
01:44:44,570 --> 01:44:40,800
side of the coin I developed something

2254
01:44:47,120 --> 01:44:44,580
which I call the 7f basket for ufology

2255
01:44:51,879 --> 01:44:47,130
and the seven f stands for fantasy

2256
01:44:55,250 --> 01:44:51,889
fiction fraud false memory fakery

2257
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:55,260
folklore and flapdoodle and an awful lot

2258
01:45:00,200 --> 01:44:57,810
of you know your material your phone

2259
01:45:01,970 --> 01:45:00,210
stories a lot of stuff goes straight

2260
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:01,980
into that basket which is where it

2261
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,560
belongs I like the word flapdoodle one

2262
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:07,440
of my favorite terms of all time George

2263
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:08,880
we've got to our break here and then

2264
01:45:14,810 --> 01:45:11,460
we'll discuss more things hopefully not

2265
01:45:16,910 --> 01:45:14,820
flapdoodle George Wingfield joining us

2266
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:16,920
with Jean and Kris you're in the parry

2267
01:45:31,540 --> 01:45:28,390
[Music]

2268
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:31,550
America's largest independently owned

2269
01:45:39,229 --> 01:45:37,440
communications network see Henry Ford

2270
01:45:40,939 --> 01:45:39,239
once said a man who stops advertising

2271
01:45:41,900 --> 01:45:40,949
save money is like a man who stops a

2272
01:45:43,490 --> 01:45:41,910
clock to save time

2273
01:45:45,740 --> 01:45:43,500
Alex Cassell here the National Account

2274
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:45,750
Executive at GCN I have the ability to

2275
01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:47,489
customize the national radio campaign

2276
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:49,110
based on your budget while targeting

2277
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:51,000
your demographic contact me to find out

2278
01:45:54,110 --> 01:45:52,530
how national radio can help your

2279
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:54,120
business be more profitable at eight

2280
01:45:59,030 --> 01:45:56,489
seven seven nine nine six four three two

2281
01:46:01,490 --> 01:45:59,040
seven extension 177 that's eight seven

2282
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:01,500
seven nine nine six four three two seven

2283
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,530
extension 177 and help me help you bring

2284
01:46:08,570 --> 01:46:06,719
your business to the next level hi this

2285
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,580
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

2286
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:10,320
why banks stockbrokers investment

2287
01:46:13,820 --> 01:46:12,210
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

2288
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:13,830
they've been available since nineteen

2289
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,600
eighty six yet the financial industry

2290
01:46:19,010 --> 01:46:17,520
won't recognize the value of gold for

2291
01:46:21,770 --> 01:46:19,020
your attire mint coal has outperformed

2292
01:46:23,420 --> 01:46:21,780
paper investments yet no word about IRAs

2293
01:46:27,140 --> 01:46:23,430
if you would like to have gold for your

2294
01:46:28,970 --> 01:46:27,150
retirement call 866 to 237 don't get

2295
01:46:33,020 --> 01:46:28,980
left behind by rising inflation and low

2296
01:47:22,670 --> 01:46:33,030
returns call 866 to 237 secure your

2297
01:47:24,590 --> 01:47:22,680
future and call 1-866-376-8255 customers

2298
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:24,600
and we've never increased our price in

2299
01:47:27,530 --> 01:47:25,410
over 10 years

2300
01:47:29,420 --> 01:47:27,540
that makes heart and body extract as

2301
01:47:31,370 --> 01:47:29,430
great a value now as it was the first

2302
01:47:33,710 --> 01:47:31,380
day we sold it a healthy

2303
01:47:40,230 --> 01:47:33,720
is a happy heart call eight six six two

2304
01:47:48,180 --> 01:47:44,450
[Applause]

2305
01:47:52,490 --> 01:47:48,190
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2306
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:52,500
standard of paranormal radio and now

2307
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:01,600
here's Jane Steinberg alright George

2308
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:04,960
Wingfield is here he has a wide and

2309
01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:08,470
fascinating background in the UFO and

2310
01:48:13,050 --> 01:48:10,900
paranormal research and we're just kind

2311
01:48:14,940 --> 01:48:13,060
of covering the surface of it here our

2312
01:48:16,530 --> 01:48:14,950
listeners have had fascinating questions

2313
01:48:19,860 --> 01:48:16,540
before we go on Chris would you like to

2314
01:48:22,620 --> 01:48:19,870
dig up another question or what well you

2315
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:22,630
know I've been really intrigued by your

2316
01:48:27,870 --> 01:48:25,210
annual sessions at the Eureka Springs

2317
01:48:32,900 --> 01:48:27,880
conference that I think David Perkins

2318
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:35,880
let's go down the list here you know we

2319
01:48:40,980 --> 01:48:38,050
started talking about some of the people

2320
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:40,990
that you feel are legitimate and they

2321
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:42,880
may have constraints on how much they

2322
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:44,860
can say like in the case of John

2323
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:47,920
Alexander and possibly the case of Nick

2324
01:48:54,930 --> 01:48:52,170
Pope but who are the uncover mitat

2325
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:54,940
investigators out there that you feel

2326
01:48:59,550 --> 01:48:57,250
are actually unsung heroes that are

2327
01:49:01,860 --> 01:48:59,560
bringing the this whole ball of wax

2328
01:49:06,860 --> 01:49:01,870
forward and you know in in public

2329
01:49:08,670 --> 01:49:06,870
awareness and understanding is

2330
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:08,680
absolutely honest and straight

2331
01:49:15,570 --> 01:49:11,710
investigator and there are many others I

2332
01:49:18,840 --> 01:49:15,580
mean Chris knows or at least David

2333
01:49:22,350 --> 01:49:18,850
Perkins knows Nancy Tolbert know what

2334
01:49:24,360 --> 01:49:22,360
she comes up with some people can't take

2335
01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:24,370
or believe but I know she's honest

2336
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:25,900
I know she's straightforward and honest

2337
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:27,670
well do you know what before we go on

2338
01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,780
with Nancy Talbot

2339
01:49:35,700 --> 01:49:30,880
we were running with her over her

2340
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:35,710
support for burka yeah Bandon bracha

2341
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:38,530
and the point being here is that I think

2342
01:49:44,850 --> 01:49:42,370
we pretty much exposed him on the air

2343
01:49:47,010 --> 01:49:44,860
when he brought on his friend his friend

2344
01:49:49,410 --> 01:49:47,020
the magician the sleight of hand

2345
01:49:52,050 --> 01:49:49,420
magician a sleight-of-hand guy and I

2346
01:49:55,140 --> 01:49:52,060
think that exposed and I think if we

2347
01:49:57,810 --> 01:49:55,150
remove Robert from Nancy Talbots

2348
01:50:00,660 --> 01:49:57,820
equation we would like her a lot

2349
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:00,670
she became ornery with us when we

2350
01:50:05,730 --> 01:50:03,280
weren't impressed I can see what you're

2351
01:50:08,100 --> 01:50:05,740
saying I have never met Robert and I've

2352
01:50:11,130 --> 01:50:08,110
never made its magician friend in fact I

2353
01:50:14,820 --> 01:50:11,140
haven't traveled to Holland to see any

2354
01:50:18,750 --> 01:50:14,830
of this but I know that Nancy has a good

2355
01:50:22,770 --> 01:50:18,760
heart and maybe she's been badly taken

2356
01:50:26,430 --> 01:50:22,780
in badly fooled as people are sometimes

2357
01:50:28,620 --> 01:50:26,440
yeah she's not trying to pull a fast one

2358
01:50:30,180 --> 01:50:28,630
herself I mean these two characters

2359
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:30,190
maybe I really don't know because it's

2360
01:50:34,860 --> 01:50:32,410
not a case I've researched I looked at

2361
01:50:37,470 --> 01:50:34,870
all I can see is what's on the website

2362
01:50:39,570 --> 01:50:37,480
well George here's an interesting thing

2363
01:50:41,190 --> 01:50:39,580
that I'm sure many of our listeners will

2364
01:50:44,250 --> 01:50:41,200
be surprised to hear about

2365
01:50:46,440 --> 01:50:44,260
I think George besides Nancy and Joe

2366
01:50:48,930 --> 01:50:46,450
Burke you're the only person I know of

2367
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,940
that actually took the time to go to

2368
01:50:51,870 --> 01:50:51,280
Grass Lake Michigan and visit lefty

2369
01:50:55,380 --> 01:50:51,880
Levengood

2370
01:50:59,580 --> 01:50:55,390
yeah sure why don't you kind of walk us

2371
01:51:02,250 --> 01:50:59,590
through your your timetable and in what

2372
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:02,260
you went up there to do how Levengood

2373
01:51:06,990 --> 01:51:04,570
presented his information and you as

2374
01:51:09,780 --> 01:51:07,000
someone with scientific training what

2375
01:51:14,610 --> 01:51:09,790
you came away with I went to talk to

2376
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:14,620
Lefty 11 good and he's right he what he

2377
01:51:19,740 --> 01:51:17,290
died recently he was a very intense

2378
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:19,750
character he had very definite ideas

2379
01:51:27,660 --> 01:51:23,320
about what was happening with crop

2380
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:27,670
circles and how some kind of genetic

2381
01:51:34,980 --> 01:51:31,090
alteration to the actual plants was

2382
01:51:37,650 --> 01:51:34,990
taking place and he talked about this at

2383
01:51:40,350 --> 01:51:37,660
huge lengths I know that he was someone

2384
01:51:42,090 --> 01:51:40,360
who got up at 5 5 o'clock in the morning

2385
01:51:44,180 --> 01:51:42,100
I'm not good at that sort of thing

2386
01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:44,190
I went down to his laboratory and

2387
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,260
studied plant samples through

2388
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:49,360
microscopes to the huge amount of

2389
01:51:56,190 --> 01:51:53,770
statistical work on them and I think I

2390
01:51:59,000 --> 01:51:56,200
think he believed he wasn't someone

2391
01:52:02,370 --> 01:51:59,010
trying to pull a fast one he wasn't some

2392
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:02,380
sort of charlatan or crook which you so

2393
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,570
much for glory hound I mean he really

2394
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:05,760
shun the

2395
01:52:11,779 --> 01:52:08,010
we believe this and because people

2396
01:52:14,990 --> 01:52:11,789
formed him by faulting over things which

2397
01:52:18,259 --> 01:52:15,000
is that I wanted him to do blind testing

2398
01:52:19,879 --> 01:52:18,269
on samples we brought in say will you

2399
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:19,889
test his sample and tell us if you think

2400
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:22,590
that came from a genuine crop circle or

2401
01:52:28,370 --> 01:52:24,449
not well he wasn't willing to do that he

2402
01:52:30,589 --> 01:52:28,380
served backed off and made excuses and I

2403
01:52:32,959 --> 01:52:30,599
thought well if you're a true scientist

2404
01:52:35,180 --> 01:52:32,969
you would do blind testing and then we

2405
01:52:36,410 --> 01:52:35,190
might get someone with this I mean come

2406
01:52:39,799 --> 01:52:36,420
on that's like standard operating

2407
01:52:41,120 --> 01:52:39,809
procedure hello sometimes it's like this

2408
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:41,130
they know exactly what they want to

2409
01:52:46,580 --> 01:52:45,449
prove okay we were talking about dr.

2410
01:52:52,549 --> 01:52:46,590
Levin good

2411
01:52:55,549 --> 01:52:52,559
did get a bit same ink honestly Michigan

2412
01:52:59,629 --> 01:52:55,559
I talked a lot and I think he was a

2413
01:53:01,939 --> 01:52:59,639
sincere character as regards his views

2414
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,949
of what was happening with the crop

2415
01:53:06,140 --> 01:53:03,840
circles I don't think he was some kind

2416
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:06,150
of a charlatan or a fake I mean his

2417
01:53:14,750 --> 01:53:12,000
degree is doctor doctor he had a

2418
01:53:18,379 --> 01:53:14,760
master's he never got a PhD that's right

2419
01:53:21,310 --> 01:53:18,389
absolutely right yes it wasn't yet and I

2420
01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:21,320
think his master's was in forestry

2421
01:53:27,500 --> 01:53:25,800
so the chop-chop already was said okay

2422
01:53:29,930 --> 01:53:27,510
he did an immense amount of work and he

2423
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:29,940
had very decided views on what was going

2424
01:53:35,689 --> 01:53:33,119
on methodology the quality of his

2425
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:35,699
science I mean he did a lot of real

2426
01:53:42,140 --> 01:53:39,090
rigorous scientific testing as someone

2427
01:53:44,060 --> 01:53:42,150
trained in in science did you feel that

2428
01:53:46,220 --> 01:53:44,070
he was a legitimate scientist that

2429
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:46,230
should have been I think published in

2430
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:49,170
nature of all places he certainly looked

2431
01:53:53,870 --> 01:53:51,199
like legitimate scientist he had a

2432
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:53,880
laboratory and all sorts of equipment of

2433
01:54:01,549 --> 01:53:56,880
microscopes and stuff with which he

2434
01:54:04,399 --> 01:54:01,559
studied these plants and for his pens

2435
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:04,409
right well I don't think too many other

2436
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:06,570
scientists would back up what he was

2437
01:54:11,450 --> 01:54:09,090
saying you know he tried I think

2438
01:54:13,250 --> 01:54:11,460
attempts are made you know Sunday so why

2439
01:54:15,799 --> 01:54:13,260
not why don't you carry out these tests

2440
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:15,809
and confirm what he what he's done and

2441
01:54:19,730 --> 01:54:17,730
what he's saying and that never happened

2442
01:54:23,540 --> 01:54:19,740
so Levengood was

2443
01:54:27,230 --> 01:54:23,550
the good guys maybe a little bit kind of

2444
01:54:29,420 --> 01:54:27,240
like that x-files poster in Fox Mulder's

2445
01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:29,430
office he wanted to believe possible

2446
01:54:35,420 --> 01:54:31,500
right he wanted to believe and he was

2447
01:54:37,580 --> 01:54:35,430
easily taken in cuz though some of the

2448
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:37,590
crop circle vacant I would say crop

2449
01:54:41,930 --> 01:54:39,930
circle makers I should call them try to

2450
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:41,940
adverse things so what one of which was

2451
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:45,420
to scatter recently main crop circle

2452
01:54:52,490 --> 01:54:48,210
with iron filings which they bought from

2453
01:54:54,590 --> 01:54:52,500
some science supply place

2454
01:54:58,220 --> 01:54:54,600
Lisa scattered all over the crop circle

2455
01:55:00,920 --> 01:54:58,230
and people in England then sent him

2456
01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:00,930
samples which contained these tiny iron

2457
01:55:08,900 --> 01:55:04,980
filings and he made up some ridiculous

2458
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:08,910
sort of theory plasma vortex having

2459
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:11,730
formed the crop circle well hold on one

2460
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:13,520
second let me let me interrupt and

2461
01:55:21,470 --> 01:55:17,370
excuse me I was involved in his bovine

2462
01:55:24,740 --> 01:55:21,480
excision site study and a case that was

2463
01:55:27,770 --> 01:55:24,750
completely documented by the BBC where I

2464
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:27,780
took plant and soil sampling I mean it

2465
01:55:34,580 --> 01:55:30,930
took me many hours to do this and also

2466
01:55:38,090 --> 01:55:34,590
forensic samples the particular case

2467
01:55:40,250 --> 01:55:38,100
that I was supplying the study indicated

2468
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:40,260
that there was 50 times the amount of

2469
01:55:45,110 --> 01:55:43,170
magnetite with right I think was three

2470
01:55:47,420 --> 01:55:45,120
hundred times the amount of magnetite

2471
01:55:51,730 --> 01:55:47,430
right around the body out to 50 feet and

2472
01:55:55,070 --> 01:55:51,740
then the magnetite particle of ratio

2473
01:55:57,770 --> 01:55:55,080
fell off out to control levels from 50

2474
01:55:59,810 --> 01:55:57,780
feet out so perhaps he was on to

2475
01:56:03,290 --> 01:55:59,820
something some of the magnetite around

2476
01:56:05,300 --> 01:56:03,300
the body that he tested was at appeared

2477
01:56:08,030 --> 01:56:05,310
to have been melted by high heat into

2478
01:56:10,910 --> 01:56:08,040
spiracles we're talking one I think to

2479
01:56:13,580 --> 01:56:10,920
five microns or twenty microns I think

2480
01:56:14,960 --> 01:56:13,590
with were the larger pieces so you know

2481
01:56:17,150 --> 01:56:14,970
I think he may have been onto something

2482
01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:17,160
but you're saying that he was very

2483
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:21,540
easily hoaxed very easily but suddenly I

2484
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:23,970
I dunno chapter and verse on this

2485
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:26,400
particular case were samples from two

2486
01:56:32,770 --> 01:56:28,890
particular crop circles we should had on

2487
01:56:37,260 --> 01:56:32,780
filing scattering them he said this

2488
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:37,270
is all part of the the effect and he was

2489
01:56:41,500 --> 01:56:39,440
suggesting some kind of a plasma vortex

2490
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:41,510
formed in the ionosphere and brought

2491
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:45,170
down with it meteoric dust and yes but

2492
01:56:49,089 --> 01:56:46,670
wait a minute wouldn't those iron

2493
01:56:51,370 --> 01:56:49,099
filings have been melted by a high heat

2494
01:56:56,020 --> 01:56:51,380
event instead of just you know be simple

2495
01:56:58,060 --> 01:56:56,030
filings a very small grond

2496
01:57:00,240 --> 01:56:58,070
very small findings but they'd been out

2497
01:57:02,859 --> 01:57:00,250
in this crop circle in the rain for

2498
01:57:06,370 --> 01:57:02,869
several days before they were found and

2499
01:57:08,859 --> 01:57:06,380
they coated the crop and obviously they

2500
01:57:11,290 --> 01:57:08,869
weren't in the pristine state when you

2501
01:57:15,580 --> 01:57:11,300
bought them from the store they'd been

2502
01:57:17,290 --> 01:57:15,590
oxidized to some but oxidation is a lot

2503
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:17,300
different from being affected by high

2504
01:57:20,109 --> 01:57:19,130
heat you know what folks will be

2505
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,119
oxidized

2506
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if we don't ice break we have George

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Wingfield with Jeana and Chris you're in

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dot the para cast calm you know some

2604
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people get at me for allegedly telling

2605
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:05,760
jokes or bad jokes but the worst I do is

2606
02:02:09,980 --> 02:02:07,890
a pun that's not a joke look up the

2607
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definition critics we have George

2608
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:11,910
Wingfield with Jean and Chris and the

2609
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:14,370
power cast George you were about to say

2610
02:02:19,700 --> 02:02:17,570
something when we had to do that break

2611
02:02:21,980 --> 02:02:19,710
talked about well a high heat was

2612
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:21,990
involved a lot this has always been a

2613
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:25,490
favorite theme that some of these

2614
02:02:31,870 --> 02:02:28,650
paranormal events like the cattle

2615
02:02:37,940 --> 02:02:31,880
mutilations might involve by heat and

2616
02:02:40,490 --> 02:02:37,950
all I suggest Laurie if she listens to

2617
02:02:43,630 --> 02:02:40,500
this show she's gonna freak many of many

2618
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:43,640
of the bovine excisions with caused by

2619
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:49,050
lasers device don't get me started on

2620
02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:55,170
that one George that is blood that's the

2621
02:02:59,690 --> 02:02:58,110
other end cookie cutter incisions yeah

2622
02:03:04,310 --> 02:02:59,700
where are the cookie cutter incisions

2623
02:03:08,630 --> 02:03:04,320
three cases three cases out of possibly

2624
02:03:11,570 --> 02:03:08,640
thousand I've looked at and alien

2625
02:03:13,670 --> 02:03:11,580
harvest and her other books of so-called

2626
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:13,680
excisions of the rectum all that

2627
02:03:19,250 --> 02:03:16,770
genitalia all the mouth the tongue and

2628
02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:19,260
so on don't look in the least bit sort

2629
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:23,370
of careful precise surgery using very

2630
02:03:29,210 --> 02:03:26,970
sharp blades or lasers I don't see any

2631
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:29,220
of wait a minute we have to

2632
02:03:33,140 --> 02:03:31,440
differentiate between lasers and very

2633
02:03:36,110 --> 02:03:33,150
sharp implements because there are

2634
02:03:38,810 --> 02:03:36,120
hundreds of cases that appear to have

2635
02:03:41,300 --> 02:03:38,820
been done by sharp implements including

2636
02:03:44,180 --> 02:03:41,310
cases very well documented by veterinary

2637
02:03:46,970 --> 02:03:44,190
pathologists you can't dismiss the the

2638
02:03:49,940 --> 02:03:46,980
whole thing as being hyperbole and and

2639
02:03:53,570 --> 02:03:49,950
wanna believe isms here there are cases

2640
02:03:54,620 --> 02:03:53,580
George and by the time my book you will

2641
02:03:57,410 --> 02:03:54,630
understand this

2642
02:03:58,280 --> 02:03:57,420
except that Christ and there's a

2643
02:04:00,530 --> 02:03:58,290
well-known case

2644
02:04:02,300 --> 02:04:00,540
which was on the skinwalker ranch we

2645
02:04:04,850 --> 02:04:02,310
could always get onto the sky skinwalker

2646
02:04:08,510 --> 02:04:04,860
ranch so I'm an mutilation case there

2647
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:08,520
which look as if the wretched cough was

2648
02:04:15,740 --> 02:04:12,330
expertly butcher using sharp knives in

2649
02:04:18,620 --> 02:04:15,750
fact that it was said some very sharp

2650
02:04:21,260 --> 02:04:18,630
blade to be noose and also scissors what

2651
02:04:24,410 --> 02:04:21,270
you make of that well all I know is that

2652
02:04:26,780 --> 02:04:24,420
allegedly Terry and Gwen sherman were in

2653
02:04:30,200 --> 02:04:26,790
the same pasture within a few hundred

2654
02:04:32,300 --> 02:04:30,210
yards of the animal in broad daylight

2655
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:32,310
when they turned around and came back

2656
02:04:36,710 --> 02:04:34,170
they found the calf in this manner and

2657
02:04:40,330 --> 02:04:36,720
the body parts have been laid out almost

2658
02:04:43,730 --> 02:04:40,340
in a ritualistic kind of you know

2659
02:04:46,970 --> 02:04:43,740
nananananana sort of fashion that case

2660
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:46,980
still boggles my mind but now that we're

2661
02:04:53,750 --> 02:04:49,770
on the subject of skinwalker ranch can I

2662
02:04:57,260 --> 02:04:53,760
give you something yeah okay I have a

2663
02:04:59,330 --> 02:04:57,270
very good friend who you probably know

2664
02:05:04,220 --> 02:04:59,340
his name and I'm not gonna mention it on

2665
02:05:07,970 --> 02:05:04,230
the air he's a friend who is described

2666
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:07,980
in calm Kelleher's Bach in one

2667
02:05:11,810 --> 02:05:09,570
particular instance I think he's owned

2668
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:11,820
as the Scribner's let's say he's

2669
02:05:18,650 --> 02:05:15,570
described as Mike and he was on a night

2670
02:05:22,930 --> 02:05:18,660
watch at the skinwalker ranch with

2671
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:22,940
someone else who's described as Jim okay

2672
02:05:27,740 --> 02:05:26,010
Jim happens to be I forget which way

2673
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:27,750
around this is Jim happens to me Terry

2674
02:05:33,890 --> 02:05:30,810
Tom Chef Tom Sherman who was the ex

2675
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:33,900
owner of the ranch and a lot of strange

2676
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:36,570
stuff went on around him yep Terry

2677
02:05:44,540 --> 02:05:40,110
Sherman Terry Sherman yes I'm sorry

2678
02:05:47,990 --> 02:05:44,550
Gorman was Terry Shemin and this

2679
02:05:54,590 --> 02:05:48,000
particular instance which I really have

2680
02:05:57,230 --> 02:05:54,600
in great detail was there's a completely

2681
02:06:00,320 --> 02:05:57,240
different account is given by comb color

2682
02:06:02,780 --> 02:06:00,330
her and George Knapp and also by John

2683
02:06:06,340 --> 02:06:02,790
Alexander it's what really happened so

2684
02:06:10,130 --> 02:06:06,350
let me just read you this bit

2685
02:06:12,220 --> 02:06:10,140
these two are up on a ridge about 64 on

2686
02:06:16,810 --> 02:06:12,230
Charles it's about midnight

2687
02:06:19,660 --> 02:06:16,820
but my friend is looking down and he

2688
02:06:24,780 --> 02:06:19,670
sees a light a light appears well like

2689
02:06:27,700 --> 02:06:24,790
it's somewhat brighter and he shows

2690
02:06:29,470 --> 02:06:27,710
Terry Shulman the light they're both

2691
02:06:33,370 --> 02:06:29,480
looking it through night-vision scopes

2692
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:33,380
and it's Terry who jumps up and down and

2693
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:38,330
says he he says oh my god there's a

2694
02:06:45,729 --> 02:06:42,320
shadow coming it's um it's a portal as a

2695
02:06:50,140 --> 02:06:45,739
creature coming out of it okay that is

2696
02:06:54,190 --> 02:06:50,150
cherish um who is saying all this my

2697
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:54,200
friend who's right beside it he's not

2698
02:06:57,340 --> 02:06:55,970
seeing any of this he's also got

2699
02:07:01,870 --> 02:06:57,350
binoculars he's got night vision

2700
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:01,880
binoculars he's not seeing any ants and

2701
02:07:09,310 --> 02:07:05,530
Harry Sherman jumping up and down and

2702
02:07:13,870 --> 02:07:09,320
producing what eventually becomes the

2703
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:13,880
skinwalker myth and clearly it sounded

2704
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:16,850
as if he was seeing this but my friend

2705
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:21,170
could see nothing up so either with his

2706
02:07:26,830 --> 02:07:23,090
night-vision binoculars or with Terry's

2707
02:07:28,330 --> 02:07:26,840
which were handed to but he didn't start

2708
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taking photographs because there was

2709
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this light down it wasn't it was a very

2710
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dim light and he just took photographs

2711
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:36,830
so when the when a flashlight Sean down

2712
02:07:40,630 --> 02:07:38,450
to one spot there was nothing there and

2713
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:40,640
they later found find any footprints on

2714
02:07:45,210 --> 02:07:43,040
students in the dirt below so we have

2715
02:07:48,430 --> 02:07:45,220
two completely different accounts from

2716
02:07:51,700 --> 02:07:48,440
the two observance and this is something

2717
02:07:55,210 --> 02:07:51,710
I've seen with UFOs so this might have

2718
02:07:57,970 --> 02:07:55,220
been something change things

2719
02:08:01,960 --> 02:07:57,980
yeah it's routine I've had cases where

2720
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up to a dozen people have allegedly been

2721
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in the same proximity to one another and

2722
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all observing an event and there's

2723
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always at least one or two or three

2724
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people that don't know what the heck

2725
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anybody else is talking about sure

2726
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absolutely it's the nail on my head now

2727
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well this is just going on in certain

2728
02:08:25,630 --> 02:08:24,230
people's heads or whether this is

2729
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something objective

2730
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which is going on which for some reason

2731
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cannot be seen by everybody that's what

2732
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I don't know and that's what we really

2733
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have to look very carefully out well I I

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really think this is a very fruitful

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Avenue of Investigation in research how

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certain individual perceptions can

2737
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coalesce with other people's perceptions

2738
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and yet you have the odd man out or you

2739
02:08:56,200 --> 02:08:54,800
know a witness or two or three who have

2740
02:08:58,480 --> 02:08:56,210
no idea what everybody else is talking

2741
02:09:01,450 --> 02:08:58,490
about and I think this is a really

2742
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crucial clue into possibly gaining the

2743
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insight into this particular phenomenon

2744
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that you're describing let's say on the

2745
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on the skinwalker ranch now this wasn't

2746
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the event where the large humanoid

2747
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creature was seen that's right

2748
02:09:19,690 --> 02:09:16,940
struggling to crawl out of this

2749
02:09:22,540 --> 02:09:19,700
particular you know iris like aperture

2750
02:09:24,970 --> 02:09:22,550
opening in the sky was it exactly that

2751
02:09:27,820 --> 02:09:24,980
event I think we got cut off in the

2752
02:09:29,950 --> 02:09:27,830
middle just just not so maybe you miss

2753
02:09:33,700 --> 02:09:29,960
me saying that so I went back but yes

2754
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this was the allegedly large humanoid

2755
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light creature dark creature came out of

2756
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this tunnel of light that was the light

2757
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down below and shuffled off into into

2758
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the darkness and that is the event we

2759
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should seen by Terry Sherman it was not

2760
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seen by my friend he was right alongside

2761
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my your friend has been called a

2762
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world-class physicist is there any

2763
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correlation between Mike and possibly

2764
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Eric Davis or coming next week on the

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power cast we'll be featuring Tedrow

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from noir cap a lot of great information

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will be heard about unidentified aerial

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that George you were about to name

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someone and we had to cut you off after

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that because we ran out of time for that

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segment let's go on let's just call him

2877
02:15:02,330 --> 02:14:59,670
Mike and he comes from Canada he I've

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known him for 20 years and he's very

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good friend of mine into my wedding

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that's facts and he's absolutely

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reliable and he's extremely open to

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paranormal stuff and quite prepared to

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believe in everything of this kind but

2884
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that was not able to corroborate what

2885
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Terri Sherman saw no he saw a light he

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saw a fairly dim light which was an

2887
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homage there shouldn't be no light there

2888
02:15:33,220 --> 02:15:31,470
it was done not quite a ground level

2889
02:15:36,740 --> 02:15:33,230
probably about six feet up in the air

2890
02:15:39,590 --> 02:15:36,750
quite near the ranch shots on skinwalker

2891
02:15:42,410 --> 02:15:39,600
ranch he could see that and it's sort of

2892
02:15:45,620 --> 02:15:42,420
it grew a bit brighter and then faded

2893
02:15:47,450 --> 02:15:45,630
again but her showman seeing all this

2894
02:15:49,970 --> 02:15:47,460
stuff going up something like a Bigfoot

2895
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:49,980
coming through a portal and jumping up

2896
02:15:57,950 --> 02:15:53,280
this is what he said and my complaint

2897
02:16:00,320 --> 02:15:57,960
really is oK we've all read the hunt for

2898
02:16:03,530 --> 02:16:00,330
the skinwalker by Tom Callahan George

2899
02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:03,540
now but a lot of that there are

2900
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anecdotal pieces stories amazing stories

2901
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which all come from teri Sherman they're

2902
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:13,260
not necessarily corroborated by anyone

2903
02:16:20,150 --> 02:16:16,800
other than his his wife and his family

2904
02:16:21,740 --> 02:16:20,160
and I was going to say that maybe this

2905
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guy lives in different kind of reality

2906
02:16:27,680 --> 02:16:25,070
to us like some of the abductees and

2907
02:16:30,620 --> 02:16:27,690
wait a minute George hold on hold on one

2908
02:16:32,570 --> 02:16:30,630
second yeah you are aware that I was one

2909
02:16:35,390 --> 02:16:32,580
of the first investigators to actually

2910
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go up there and look into Terry's claims

2911
02:16:42,500 --> 02:16:38,670
right and I spent an entire afternoon

2912
02:16:45,709 --> 02:16:42,510
with him and he showed me the tops of 60

2913
02:16:47,480 --> 02:16:45,719
80-foot cottonwood trees that the tops

2914
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have been sheared off by an object that

2915
02:16:49,430 --> 02:16:47,790
came

2916
02:16:51,049 --> 02:16:49,440
through one of these apertures opening

2917
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:51,059
in the air in front of his ranch house

2918
02:16:55,850 --> 02:16:54,090
and it came through too fast and it it

2919
02:16:57,950 --> 02:16:55,860
literally sheared the tops of his

2920
02:16:59,480 --> 02:16:57,960
cottonwood trees off you you're aware of

2921
02:17:02,959 --> 02:16:59,490
that right I didn't know about

2922
02:17:04,730 --> 02:17:02,969
cottonwood trees but I suddenly I put

2923
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this one to John Alexander and John

2924
02:17:11,450 --> 02:17:08,760
Alexander's and the needs team spent a

2925
02:17:15,620 --> 02:17:11,460
lot of time talking to Terry Sherman and

2926
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:15,630
they were all convinced so John tells me

2927
02:17:20,900 --> 02:17:18,770
and others but he was telling them

2928
02:17:24,290 --> 02:17:20,910
telling it straight and there wasn't any

2929
02:17:28,820 --> 02:17:24,300
kind of scam going on there well I never

2930
02:17:31,850 --> 02:17:28,830
got any hint of subterfuge the guy was

2931
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:31,860
obviously in fear for the safety of his

2932
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:36,000
family he did not want any publicity he

2933
02:17:41,959 --> 02:17:37,920
said I just need somebody to talk to to

2934
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:41,969
get get something to help me here I was

2935
02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:45,330
on the phone with him George okay when

2936
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:48,330
the event when he found his dogs the

2937
02:17:52,610 --> 02:17:50,160
following morning melted into grease

2938
02:17:54,560 --> 02:17:52,620
piles I literally was on the phone with

2939
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:54,570
him when that event happened the night

2940
02:18:01,310 --> 02:17:58,800
before so in terms of you know Terry may

2941
02:18:03,230 --> 02:18:01,320
have been you know because it was his

2942
02:18:05,510 --> 02:18:03,240
ranch he was really familiar with the

2943
02:18:08,060 --> 02:18:05,520
with the terrain with the lighting

2944
02:18:10,310 --> 02:18:08,070
conditions you know when you really that

2945
02:18:12,470 --> 02:18:10,320
plugged into your particular personal

2946
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environment you do tend to have a little

2947
02:18:17,089 --> 02:18:14,730
bit more visual acuity and other things

2948
02:18:19,459 --> 02:18:17,099
than a visitor would someone not used to

2949
02:18:22,610 --> 02:18:19,469
the environment so we can't totally

2950
02:18:28,220 --> 02:18:22,620
throw his account out just because the

2951
02:18:30,980 --> 02:18:28,230
other witness didn't pursue okay so this

2952
02:18:33,709 --> 02:18:30,990
gets into a whole subject about Robert

2953
02:18:36,620 --> 02:18:33,719
Bigelow and the National Institute for

2954
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:36,630
discovery science and of a real

2955
02:18:40,879 --> 02:18:38,610
bombshell thing that David Perkins

2956
02:18:44,140 --> 02:18:40,889
mentioned to me that you first of all

2957
02:18:48,320 --> 02:18:44,150
you were invited by Bigelow to his

2958
02:18:50,030 --> 02:18:48,330
gathering of so-called experts which I

2959
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:50,040
want to talk about but I also want to

2960
02:18:56,150 --> 02:18:53,010
talk about corporations founded by

2961
02:18:58,850 --> 02:18:56,160
Bigelow and Bob Lazar let's cover first

2962
02:19:02,000 --> 02:18:58,860
year you're meeting with Bigelow and you

2963
02:19:04,820 --> 02:19:02,010
being involved in the presentation

2964
02:19:08,270 --> 02:19:04,830
and presentations I should say that

2965
02:19:12,709 --> 02:19:08,280
happened at his behest and then we'll

2966
02:19:14,660 --> 02:19:12,719
talk about the Lazar angle anytime I

2967
02:19:18,379 --> 02:19:14,670
have a man proper piccolo was in the

2968
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:18,389
early 90s i afternoon look back at DARS

2969
02:19:24,169 --> 02:19:22,050
to see when it's probably 1993 or 94

2970
02:19:29,799 --> 02:19:24,179
some are like that and I happened to be

2971
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:29,809
in Las Vegas at a UFO conference and I

2972
02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:32,880
heard that he wanted to see me and talk

2973
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:34,770
about crop circles which I agreed to do

2974
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:37,889
and I agreed to go meet him at one

2975
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:40,639
o'clock at his mansion in Las Vegas just

2976
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:43,200
entirely by chance I happen to be having

2977
02:19:47,540 --> 02:19:45,570
breakfast with Steven Greer which is

2978
02:19:55,580 --> 02:19:47,550
another thing one does every day

2979
02:19:57,350 --> 02:19:55,590
well even wants to admit so Steven Greer

2980
02:19:59,810 --> 02:19:57,360
was very mysterious and he kept looking

2981
02:20:03,140 --> 02:19:59,820
at his watch and say I've got a very

2982
02:20:06,170 --> 02:20:03,150
important thing I've gotta do now so you

2983
02:20:08,090 --> 02:20:06,180
must excuse me George and he rushed off

2984
02:20:08,630 --> 02:20:08,100
giving no indication of where he was

2985
02:20:12,470 --> 02:20:08,640
going

2986
02:20:14,990 --> 02:20:12,480
I think probably about to two or three

2987
02:20:16,910 --> 02:20:15,000
hours later what when I arrived at the

2988
02:20:18,920 --> 02:20:16,920
Bigelow mansion who should I meet coming

2989
02:20:22,450 --> 02:20:18,930
out of the front door but Steven Greer

2990
02:20:26,900 --> 02:20:22,460
and obviously steam great have been

2991
02:20:29,090 --> 02:20:26,910
asking for funds for his research and it

2992
02:20:31,490 --> 02:20:29,100
became quite clear to me at that time

2993
02:20:33,950 --> 02:20:31,500
that during that period starting in

2994
02:20:37,430 --> 02:20:33,960
about 1989 getting through for at least

2995
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:37,440
five or six years there were lines and

2996
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lines of UFO researchers and people who

2997
02:20:46,190 --> 02:20:42,660
thought they tapped Bigelow for some

2998
02:20:48,410 --> 02:20:46,200
money and I can't say who they all were

2999
02:20:50,810 --> 02:20:48,420
but I do know that Steven Greer must be

3000
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:50,820
one I didn't go to ask for money I went

3001
02:20:55,820 --> 02:20:53,280
to talk about crop circles and give him

3002
02:20:58,011 --> 02:20:55,830
some advice that there's an awful lot of

3003
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:58,021
faker in fraud going on in the crop

3004
02:21:01,761 --> 02:20:59,760
circle business and he should be very

3005
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careful who he talked to

3006
02:21:06,500 --> 02:21:04,140
well I don't think he necessarily took

3007
02:21:08,300 --> 02:21:06,510
my advice but I never asked him for a

3008
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:08,310
penny I think a lot of other people did

3009
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:11,130
ask him for me and I suggest that one of

3010
02:21:17,450 --> 02:21:14,610
them was of course Robert Lazar and

3011
02:21:18,501 --> 02:21:17,460
I also wonder why I can't ask this I

3012
02:21:20,331 --> 02:21:18,511
have no way of telling

3013
02:21:23,570 --> 02:21:20,341
I also also wonder where the Linda ha

3014
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got funded by Robert Bigelow George

3015
02:21:29,091 --> 02:21:26,070
about Lazar first it gives you the

3016
02:21:31,700 --> 02:21:29,101
impression that he was funded in any way

3017
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:31,710
by Robert Bigelow you have any evidence

3018
02:21:35,660 --> 02:21:32,490
of that

3019
02:21:38,990 --> 02:21:35,670
well yes I do I have several answers to

3020
02:21:41,060 --> 02:21:39,000
that and the top of the list this was a

3021
02:21:44,211 --> 02:21:41,070
piece written by Glen Campbell who I

3022
02:21:46,791 --> 02:21:44,221
know who used to be you know desert rat

3023
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an area 51 and all of that very

3024
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skeptical of claims and so on and he he

3025
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:54,570
had one of the best early internet sites

3026
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UFO mind if I'm not mistaken that's

3027
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correct yes and then Carol suggests you

3028
02:22:06,430 --> 02:22:03,721
can still find on the on the on the

3029
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Internet in fact I sent sent the link to

3030
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to David that a corporation set up this

3031
02:22:17,301 --> 02:22:15,271
is public record state of Nevada called

3032
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the Zeta Reticuli

3033
02:22:25,310 --> 02:22:21,900
to cooperation offices the corporation

3034
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of directors Robert Bigelow chopper the

3035
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list I I haven't seen this record but

3036
02:22:34,310 --> 02:22:31,771
it's they're not still available and

3037
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:34,320
done somewhere on the list is is Robert

3038
02:22:39,890 --> 02:22:38,250
Lazar so that definitely implies there

3039
02:22:43,100 --> 02:22:39,900
was a business connection between them

3040
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:43,110
and I must assume if there was it meant

3041
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that money was flowing from Bigelow to

3042
02:22:53,180 --> 02:22:49,200
whazzup and this supplies a very large

3043
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motive for all of Robert Lazar squints I

3044
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:55,771
would suggest well I wonder what George

3045
02:23:01,341 --> 02:22:57,650
Knapp would have to say about that

3046
02:23:03,501 --> 02:23:01,351
you should the 25th anniversary of Bob

3047
02:23:07,011 --> 02:23:03,511
Lazar is out in and coming out and

3048
02:23:09,320 --> 02:23:07,021
talking a nap is still you know just

3049
02:23:13,850 --> 02:23:09,330
lock step behind Lazar and still

3050
02:23:16,341 --> 02:23:13,860
supports that whole scenario what is

3051
02:23:19,671 --> 02:23:16,351
your thinking George well I think that

3052
02:23:22,930 --> 02:23:19,681
once you sort of gone out there and

3053
02:23:26,429 --> 02:23:22,940
supported a particular person like this

3054
02:23:29,109 --> 02:23:26,439
on TV in books

3055
02:23:31,269 --> 02:23:29,119
great late saying that this guy is real

3056
02:23:34,210 --> 02:23:31,279
it's very hard to back down and say I

3057
02:23:35,949 --> 02:23:34,220
was completely wrong I was taken in and

3058
02:23:38,319 --> 02:23:35,959
the whole thing was a big scam I would

3059
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:38,329
and say I wasn't part of the scam but I

3060
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:42,319
believe this is a big scam and I I think

3061
02:23:45,159 --> 02:23:44,720
George Knapp I think basically is a good

3062
02:23:48,460 --> 02:23:45,169
person

3063
02:23:50,800 --> 02:23:48,470
I think he's gullible maybe and you see

3064
02:23:52,300 --> 02:23:50,810
the same thing be aimed in all of its

3065
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all sorts of people

3066
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Stan Friedman mj-12 you know we all have

3067
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these soft spots you know where we

3068
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believe something that maybe there's no

3069
02:24:04,239 --> 02:24:01,970
logic or reason behind it maybe we like

3070
02:24:07,239 --> 02:24:04,249
the person or maybe something about what

3071
02:24:09,639 --> 02:24:07,249
they did seems to fit with our beliefs I

3072
02:24:12,699 --> 02:24:09,649
wonder about Stanton Friedman and mj-12

3073
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for example maybe I understand Bob Lazar

3074
02:24:16,719 --> 02:24:15,079
and George Knapp we'll have to pursue

3075
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this further we have George Wingfield

3076
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joining gene and Chris you're in the

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independently leading the way for the

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more segment to do and we were talking

3193
02:29:06,251 --> 02:29:03,110
about these people such as Lazar and

3194
02:29:09,730 --> 02:29:06,261
Knapp and the fact that some people get

3195
02:29:13,060 --> 02:29:09,740
taken in by claims that just shouldn't

3196
02:29:15,301 --> 02:29:13,070
be accepted as real absolutely right a

3197
02:29:19,451 --> 02:29:15,311
lot of people in this business

3198
02:29:20,770 --> 02:29:19,461
charlatans crooks congestus operative

3199
02:29:23,470 --> 02:29:20,780
words wait a minute wait a minute you

3200
02:29:27,100 --> 02:29:23,480
said in this business and that you're

3201
02:29:31,031 --> 02:29:27,110
really important the UFO business can I

3202
02:29:33,701 --> 02:29:31,041
say there's some people you just simply

3203
02:29:36,610 --> 02:29:33,711
should not believe and he's doing very

3204
02:29:38,650 --> 02:29:36,620
very well they're claiming I suggest

3205
02:29:40,570 --> 02:29:38,660
that Bob Lazar is one of them I have a

3206
02:29:45,661 --> 02:29:40,580
little list here of certain others we

3207
02:29:50,100 --> 02:29:45,671
can do inquiring minds our ears are open

3208
02:29:52,930 --> 02:29:50,110
Linda and Napolitano and together with

3209
02:29:55,751 --> 02:29:52,940
Budd Hopkins now but Hopkins is a good

3210
02:29:59,411 --> 02:29:55,761
guy and he clearly believed it but Linda

3211
02:30:01,480 --> 02:29:59,421
is a fabulous and I've met her she when

3212
02:30:03,701 --> 02:30:01,490
I met her which is a long time ago she's

3213
02:30:06,251 --> 02:30:03,711
a very attractive woman people would

3214
02:30:09,161 --> 02:30:06,261
believe everything she said it was all

3215
02:30:11,291 --> 02:30:09,171
to my mind it was all fantasy this is

3216
02:30:13,720 --> 02:30:11,301
the woman who was abducted we're on the

3217
02:30:17,020 --> 02:30:13,730
Brooklyn Bridge Cambridge abduction yes

3218
02:30:19,001 --> 02:30:17,030
sure I mean she's a drama queen and

3219
02:30:22,841 --> 02:30:19,011
there was just any amount of this stuff

3220
02:30:27,190 --> 02:30:22,851
which came through various unseen people

3221
02:30:30,761 --> 02:30:27,200
who were I don't know Jim dick Peter and

3222
02:30:35,230 --> 02:30:30,771
so on supply letters and tape recordings

3223
02:30:37,541 --> 02:30:35,240
came to about Hopkins spelling out the

3224
02:30:40,751 --> 02:30:37,551
head of the UN Paris dude what's his

3225
02:30:43,559 --> 02:30:40,761
name that's right that's right but he

3226
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:43,569
was involved but I mean a

3227
02:30:49,050 --> 02:30:45,850
a certain people you really shouldn't

3228
02:30:52,979 --> 02:30:49,060
believe there's some Robert Dean I'm not

3229
02:30:56,760 --> 02:30:52,989
gonna hear me separate verse UFO

3230
02:31:00,329 --> 02:30:56,770
conferences in Nevada and probably still

3231
02:31:03,750 --> 02:31:00,339
does for all I know he claimed that when

3232
02:31:07,199 --> 02:31:03,760
he was working here NATO headquarters in

3233
02:31:09,329 --> 02:31:07,209
Belgium there have been the this huge

3234
02:31:12,989 --> 02:31:09,339
dossier should somehow landed on his

3235
02:31:14,250 --> 02:31:12,999
chest which is ultra top-secret cosmic

3236
02:31:16,439 --> 02:31:14,260
top-secret and she's called the

3237
02:31:19,710 --> 02:31:16,449
assessment and he lives right across the

3238
02:31:21,420 --> 02:31:19,720
street from wendell stevens wendell

3239
02:31:23,939 --> 02:31:21,430
stevens wouldn't believe a word he said

3240
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:23,949
Darrell Wendell he's a great storyteller

3241
02:31:32,189 --> 02:31:26,350
I used to tape record and listen to lots

3242
02:31:33,599 --> 02:31:32,199
of his stories and then you really

3243
02:31:36,059 --> 02:31:33,609
shouldn't believe this and in particular

3244
02:31:38,429 --> 02:31:36,069
we have got billy meier i wouldn't

3245
02:31:40,679 --> 02:31:38,439
believe a word that's a complete scam a

3246
02:31:43,019 --> 02:31:40,689
complete hoax while we're at it

3247
02:31:46,079 --> 02:31:43,029
there's also George Adamski we're going

3248
02:31:48,420 --> 02:31:46,089
back a bit here and you could add to him

3249
02:31:51,359 --> 02:31:48,430
there probably at least fifty contactees

3250
02:31:57,389 --> 02:31:51,369
most of whom the names have forgotten

3251
02:32:05,639 --> 02:31:57,399
like Truman basura manned by Daniel Frye

3252
02:32:07,649 --> 02:32:05,649
Truman bathroom sure is George Van

3253
02:32:10,649 --> 02:32:07,659
Tassel Howard manager I knew Howard

3254
02:32:12,929 --> 02:32:10,659
manager and he was a curious kind of guy

3255
02:32:14,609 --> 02:32:12,939
I remember and I've told the story on

3256
02:32:16,199 --> 02:32:14,619
the power cast before but I'll acquaint

3257
02:32:19,469 --> 02:32:16,209
you with it we don't have much time left

3258
02:32:23,159 --> 02:32:19,479
where Jim Mosely and I met Howard

3259
02:32:26,130 --> 02:32:23,169
manager this is in mid to late 60s and a

3260
02:32:28,260 --> 02:32:26,140
diner in New York City across from 303

3261
02:32:30,599 --> 02:32:28,270
Fifth Avenue where Jim had offices at

3262
02:32:33,300 --> 02:32:30,609
the time and manager was suggesting that

3263
02:32:35,939 --> 02:32:33,310
maybe his experiences were about

3264
02:32:36,840 --> 02:32:35,949
government disinformation at the same

3265
02:32:40,139 --> 02:32:36,850
time if you look at some of his

3266
02:32:43,260 --> 02:32:40,149
paintings of UFOs he copped the UFO at

3267
02:32:46,349 --> 02:32:43,270
the end of the movie Day the Earth Stood

3268
02:32:48,239 --> 02:32:46,359
Still so there you go with Howard

3269
02:32:51,000 --> 02:32:48,249
venture I mean yeah we know about the

3270
02:32:53,099 --> 02:32:51,010
old time contact these I'm more

3271
02:32:55,469 --> 02:32:53,109
interested in discussing the fake people

3272
02:32:56,520 --> 02:32:55,479
from the current act let me let me give

3273
02:32:58,620 --> 02:32:56,530
you one more

3274
02:33:00,631 --> 02:32:58,630
about Whitley Street one yeah no I like

3275
02:33:04,110 --> 02:33:00,641
Whitley he's a great guy he's good

3276
02:33:06,841 --> 02:33:04,120
company but he he studied the subject

3277
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:06,851
for time and he then wrote a book which

3278
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:09,280
is called communion a true story

3279
02:33:14,400 --> 02:33:11,650
well that where we have the alien gray

3280
02:33:16,110 --> 02:33:14,410
image absolutely right

3281
02:33:18,240 --> 02:33:16,120
he went into it in great detail he

3282
02:33:20,881 --> 02:33:18,250
interviewed lots of claimed abductees

3283
02:33:23,761 --> 02:33:20,891
and then he had his own story of being

3284
02:33:25,860 --> 02:33:23,771
abductee I was at a UFO conference in

3285
02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:25,870
Australia at once and Twitter II was

3286
02:33:31,940 --> 02:33:28,210
there and his wife Ann and I talked to

3287
02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:31,950
both of them greatly and I said to Ann

3288
02:33:37,290 --> 02:33:34,330
because I had recently read communion

3289
02:33:40,051 --> 02:33:37,300
and I said it must be quite terrifying

3290
02:33:42,540 --> 02:33:40,061
for you living with Whitley in that

3291
02:33:47,341 --> 02:33:42,550
cabin up in the woods in upstate New

3292
02:33:49,501 --> 02:33:47,351
York near a chord which is yeah I said

3293
02:33:52,320 --> 02:33:49,511
with the security lights going on and

3294
02:33:55,051 --> 02:33:52,330
off and little critters occasionally

3295
02:33:59,100 --> 02:33:55,061
appearing in the half-light in the

3296
02:34:02,131 --> 02:33:59,110
bedroom and the terrible threat that one

3297
02:34:06,810 --> 02:34:02,141
could get abducted and anally probed at

3298
02:34:09,930 --> 02:34:06,820
almost any moment and she laughed she

3299
02:34:13,770 --> 02:34:09,940
laughed she laughed and said oh that's

3300
02:34:16,171 --> 02:34:13,780
all in Whitley's so I rest my face whoa

3301
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:16,181
that doesn't right there by the way

3302
02:34:20,341 --> 02:34:17,920
folks I think you know that we've

3303
02:34:22,890 --> 02:34:20,351
invited Whitley Strieber to come on the

3304
02:34:25,320 --> 02:34:22,900
power cast to answer questions more than

3305
02:34:28,980 --> 02:34:25,330
once yes and a couple of times he said

3306
02:34:31,530 --> 02:34:28,990
yes and then he said no and the last

3307
02:34:34,261 --> 02:34:31,540
time we talked with him and it wasn't

3308
02:34:36,030 --> 02:34:34,271
just an email I met him at this

3309
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:36,040
international UFO conference near

3310
02:34:39,900 --> 02:34:38,080
Scottsdale Arizona I said why don't you

3311
02:34:42,540 --> 02:34:39,910
come on he says aren't you a skeptical

3312
02:34:42,930 --> 02:34:42,550
radio show I said in response you know

3313
02:34:46,230 --> 02:34:42,940
what

3314
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:46,240
we'll ask hard questions and certainly

3315
02:34:50,430 --> 02:34:48,370
we expect you to get on there and answer

3316
02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:50,440
them we're not going to do anything

3317
02:34:53,910 --> 02:34:53,290
kitchen what'd you say it's hot in the

3318
02:34:56,730 --> 02:34:53,920
kitchen

3319
02:34:59,280 --> 02:34:56,740
it sure is but if you've got your fax at

3320
02:35:01,290 --> 02:34:59,290
your beck and call and if it's all

3321
02:35:02,820 --> 02:35:01,300
honest well you get up there and you

3322
02:35:05,730 --> 02:35:02,830
tell us that's right

3323
02:35:08,940 --> 02:35:05,740
but obviously after listening to this I

3324
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:08,950
can guarantee Whitley Strieber will join

3325
02:35:12,570 --> 02:35:10,570
a few people out there

3326
02:35:15,150 --> 02:35:12,580
who will never come on the para cast

3327
02:35:17,040 --> 02:35:15,160
we'll invite them I mean as I said we'd

3328
02:35:19,290 --> 02:35:17,050
have Linda Moulton Howe on here if she's

3329
02:35:21,780 --> 02:35:19,300
willing to answer the hard questions if

3330
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:21,790
she believes in what she says and she

3331
02:35:27,750 --> 02:35:24,160
feels that she can prove that her

3332
02:35:30,330 --> 02:35:27,760
evidence has some authenticity we'd give

3333
02:35:33,030 --> 02:35:30,340
her a chance but as I said she has not

3334
02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:33,040
responded to my last email to her so I

3335
02:35:40,261 --> 02:35:36,720
don't wish I get even greer on again

3336
02:35:43,500 --> 02:35:40,271
get it Steven Greer we had him out a few

3337
02:35:46,080 --> 02:35:43,510
years ago and I think he was about to go

3338
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:46,090
off the deep end he was getting a little

3339
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:48,130
bit angry in ornery and one of the

3340
02:35:52,650 --> 02:35:50,170
questions we asked him and I got the

3341
02:35:54,960 --> 02:35:52,660
deep impression that if he wants to go

3342
02:35:58,740 --> 02:35:54,970
on a radio show he would choose one

3343
02:36:00,990 --> 02:35:58,750
other than the power cast to be on just

3344
02:36:03,540 --> 02:36:01,000
a reaction I got time for one little

3345
02:36:05,790 --> 02:36:03,550
Steven Krister it has to be about one

3346
02:36:09,300 --> 02:36:05,800
minute long all right one minute long

3347
02:36:11,940 --> 02:36:09,310
okay Steve Kerr came with his his

3348
02:36:14,850 --> 02:36:11,950
cohorts whose paid-up members of see

3349
02:36:18,511 --> 02:36:14,860
said he to Gulf Breeze this is probably

3350
02:36:21,180 --> 02:36:18,521
back in 1991 and he you know you know

3351
02:36:24,090 --> 02:36:21,190
great fanfare and he told everyone the

3352
02:36:25,530 --> 02:36:24,100
UFOs are going to be appearing at

3353
02:36:28,470 --> 02:36:25,540
Shoreline park which is wherever

3354
02:36:31,370 --> 02:36:28,480
everyone went to look for UFOs at

3355
02:36:34,350 --> 02:36:31,380
exactly eight o'clock tonight beaver and

3356
02:36:36,690 --> 02:36:34,360
I have friend got Andy who's from

3357
02:36:38,820 --> 02:36:36,700
Houston Texas and he happened to be in

3358
02:36:41,160 --> 02:36:38,830
Dolph Brees he wasn't part of the Steve

3359
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:41,170
group said he went along to see what was

3360
02:36:47,610 --> 02:36:42,610
going to happen they'd apply huge

3361
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:47,620
excitement well sure enough for this

3362
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:50,170
three your phone's these are balls of

3363
02:36:56,300 --> 02:36:53,680
light completely silent appeared up in

3364
02:36:58,530 --> 02:36:56,310
the sky in triangular formation

3365
02:37:02,040 --> 02:36:58,540
equilateral triangle of these balls of

3366
02:37:05,250 --> 02:37:02,050
light and they flew slowly across in the

3367
02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:05,260
direction of the observance and people

3368
02:37:08,610 --> 02:37:06,790
were getting very very excited and

3369
02:37:09,511 --> 02:37:08,620
Steven Greer had a loudhailer or

3370
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:09,521
something and he was telling people

3371
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:12,880
bright they are here I think they're

3372
02:37:16,470 --> 02:37:15,280
going to laugh are you guys ready you

3373
02:37:17,940 --> 02:37:16,480
know this is rather like Close

3374
02:37:19,560 --> 02:37:17,950
Encounters of the Third Kind are you

3375
02:37:21,720 --> 02:37:19,570
ready I think they'd all done protocols

3376
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:21,730
for taking off and going to whatever

3377
02:37:26,559 --> 02:37:24,050
planet these guys come from

3378
02:37:29,740 --> 02:37:26,569
they gotta have a head Steven gray was

3379
02:37:32,650 --> 02:37:29,750
saying oh my god it's a structured crop

3380
02:37:34,030 --> 02:37:32,660
it's a structured crop and my friend

3381
02:37:36,730 --> 02:37:34,040
Andy who is looking through binoculars

3382
02:37:38,440 --> 02:37:36,740
said well this is impressive but it

3383
02:37:40,240 --> 02:37:38,450
definitely wasn't a structured crop I

3384
02:37:42,070 --> 02:37:40,250
know what we're definitely out of time I

3385
02:37:43,599 --> 02:37:42,080
can't take it any further except that

3386
02:37:45,880 --> 02:37:43,609
we're gonna have you back in the near

3387
02:37:48,340 --> 02:37:45,890
future Oh George man we're just getting

3388
02:37:50,410 --> 02:37:48,350
started this is obvious this is fun and

3389
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:50,420
I know there are lots of other people

3390
02:37:54,130 --> 02:37:52,490
that we can upset just very quickly do

3391
02:37:57,760 --> 02:37:54,140
you have a website or someplace we can

3392
02:38:02,320 --> 02:37:57,770
check out your stuff no I together but I

3393
02:38:05,969 --> 02:38:02,330
could send you a little more stuff last

3394
02:38:08,380 --> 02:38:05,979
year called us ufology is alien zoo and

3395
02:38:10,059 --> 02:38:08,390
that's perfect we'll look forward maybe

3396
02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:10,069
we'll post it in our forums Chris

3397
02:38:14,650 --> 02:38:11,930
O'Brien can be found at our strange

3398
02:38:16,990 --> 02:38:14,660
planet calm that's our strange planet

3399
02:38:19,690 --> 02:38:17,000
calm his book is stalking the herd his

3400
02:38:22,300 --> 02:38:19,700
latest book buy it from him he gets all

3401
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:22,310
the profit and he also signs it for you

3402
02:38:25,929 --> 02:38:24,080
you can check us out on Twitter where

3403
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:25,939
we're known as the para cast it's the

3404
02:38:30,309 --> 02:38:28,130
power cast on Twitter check out the

3405
02:38:33,219 --> 02:38:30,319
power cast fan club on Facebook and

3406
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:33,229
check out our main web portal moves up

3407
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:35,410
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3408
02:38:40,540 --> 02:38:38,960
every single episode of the show George

3409
02:38:42,820 --> 02:38:40,550
Wingfield thank you for joining us on

3410
02:38:52,439 --> 02:38:42,830
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3411
02:38:57,489 --> 02:38:55,719
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3412
02:39:00,609 --> 02:38:57,499
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3413
02:39:04,389 --> 02:39:00,619
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3414
02:39:08,409 --> 02:39:04,399
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